Theologically-Based Medicine and Terry Schaivo

Maybe, maybe not, but love grew it in the first place.
With God, all things are possible.

Scientists call foul everytime their pet theories are proven wrong, usually without examining the research. There are some questioning Pam Reynolds surgery despite the fact it is all on tape and will documented. It has been called the benchmark of proof of life after death. You see there was no way to monkey with the facts in her surgery.

People just believe what they want to, me, you, and everyone else.

There is no such thing as objective research.

The man is a world-renown psychic, he got there by accurate reading after accurate reading. He has helped thousands of people overcome their guilt and fear due to the death of loved ones. The fact that he is, where he is, proves it. Many who falsely claimed psychic ability are no longer heard from.

Please don’t talk to me about cold readings, those things were thought up by skeptics and no, really no, controlled studies have been done on them because common sense tells you that those assumptions are false.

http://www.newsnet5.com/station/2893543/detail.html

Yes, I found the link, about the same thing I said, Terri does know what is going on and is probably very upset over the whole thing. Especially the fighting between her family and husband…
John wouldn’t be able to teach you cold reading, because it doesn’t exist. Well, maybe in the minds of skeptics. Did you know that most people who go to psychics for readings have a least some spiritual knowledge, and wouldn’t be fooled by such a flimflam. The only way you are going to be in a position to judge John is to have him do a reading for you.

I’m so glad you’re around. I couldn’t make up someone like you. It’d be too unlikely to be believable.

Why is the truth that scientists know when they see it so much less valid than the truth that you know when you see it?

Because the scientist sees it and lekatt feels and knows it. If you strip away the centuries of Dogma, religons boil down to sets of beliefs and behaviors that make you feel good about yourself and reasons why bad things happened to you and motivations to behave in appropriate ways.

My personal opinion is that her soul is long gone. I think that as your brain dies, your soul ceases to ‘inhabit’ your body. No matter what your religous (or nonreligous) background, we all recognize that people have a certain ‘thing’ to them that makes them unique and special to us. Terri doesn’t have that anymore. Look at the pictures of her when she was a young, vibrant woman, and those of her propped up in a bed staring into nothingness with all of her joints drawn and muscles atrophied and holes in her throat and abdomen. Terri’s soul is no longer in that body. That’s not Terri anymore. She probably is looking down on it sobbing at what became of it and what people are using it for. Her parents have that one remaining physical connection to their little girl that they are desperately clinging to despite a mountain of evidence that she is not well and will never get better and an overwhelming majority of people who, if they were in the same position, would not want to live. Like I pointed out in another thread, if God were intimately involved with Terri Schaivo and wanted her to live, the feeding tube is unnecessary. He’s already got the part of her that is His (or gave her over to Satan! :eek: ) and is just sitting around condeming all the people who are supposedly carrying out His will. He’s makin’ a list, folks…He’s coming after you who want to keep PVS patients alive forever! :wink:

OK, so I got a little punchy…disregard the end, please

Okay, I can’t resist. Cites?

I won’t dispute that he may have helped people overcome guilt fear but that is due to providing them with psychological closure rather than contact with dead relatives.

You seem to think the proof that he is a true psychic is because he is successful because a false ones are “no longer heard from.” That is a false assumption as millions of con artists have been successful. This seems to be the escape clause for those who make supernatural claims. Apparently controlled tests can’t be done because they interfere with the reading. In order for readings to work people must believe in them. That is what’s called a self fulfilling prophecy. You seem to be saying there is no objective way to tell a charlitan from a true psychic.

If you value your sanity, or at least your time, don’t bother going there with lekatt. I refer you to all the other threads about the supernatural in which his/her intransigence and circular logic caused frustration in people who demanded more than lekatt’s say-so in the matter.

That’s what he has maintained in the past.
He said that true mediums can be distinguished from charlatan by the feelings he gets from them.

What I am writing about in this thread, I have experienced. First-hand eye-witness reporting of events I have been priviledged to experience. My near death experience was just the beginning.

What the skeptics and scientists are writing about are things they have no first-hand knowledge of, they believe because they haven’t seen it, it isn’t real.
They have been taught spiritual things don’t exist, too bad, because every one of them will have a spiritual experience at least once, at their death.

So you’ve seen first-hand yogis being buried for days?

That would be the one in which there is no EEG, EKG or other evidence that you were near death, and that anything happened other than you having a dream?

Con artists are successful for short periods of time, moving from city to city, before they are caught and put in jail. They do not have a following of thousands, or a private reading list hundreds of people long. John has demonstrated his ability for years and years in public almost weekly. He has turned skeptics many times coming to catch him. All prophecies are self-fulfilling. No, there is no such thing as objective, we all have our beliefs and desires. Another psychic could catch a bad one, or someone like me who knows what to look for.

Spiritual things have to do with emotion, feelings, intuition, and thought processes. If you are a scientists you probably think these things don’t matter or are not important. Until you develop your abilities in this area they are not important because they will show/tell you nothing about the world you live in.

I take it you’ve never heard of The Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

[Frank Costanza] Man had a face like an apple pie.[/Frank Costanza]

Lekatt

What would these people be jailed for? Provided they use certain disclaimers (the same ones you’ll see at the start of every episode of Crossing Over), they have commited no crimes. Under these disclaimers they take money for providing entertainment.

Miss Cleo’s legal problems were due to tax fraud, and had nothing to do with whether she was a real psychic.

Because you can’t fool some people all of the time.

Because of her cerebral implant, an MRI hasn’t been performed. :stuck_out_tongue:

And our system of government is theoretically set up so that one chruch cannot impose its views, legally, upon another chruch, or on atheists. This law gets bent a lot, but has not been shattered.

The judges in this case were mostly conservative Christians. Thankfully, they remembered that in court they are judges first.

Compassion in this case was determined properly by the letter of the law, and not the Christian who could scream the loudest. The courts determined that Terri’s own considerations of compassion involved her not living as a vegetable. Involving a scam artist (a medium) in the process is neither compassionate nor legal.

And oddly enough, the skeptics are usually right. The cry of bad science does not go up because the findings are merely invconvenient. They go up becuase the bad science is in fact bad science. This has happened often in matters that have little to do with ‘spirituality’. N-rays and Cold Fusion are fine examples.

Your right, there is nothing new to this. When people like Schwartz do sloppy work, they get called on it.

Terri did not say what she wanted, all we have is hearsay from her husband. This is what the courts believed because they wanted to believe it.