It’s cute that you think that. Maybe you can visit me one day, and we’ll ride my unicorn together.
my late father, who gave each of his kids a copy of None Dare Call It Treason found the current batch of neo-conservatives reprehensible.
Coming from the third rectum from the right in the second row, that really doesn’t phase me. If you read back through this thread (and really, pretty consistently across the board), you’ll notice that I respond like to like. You want to discuss the issue at hand, I’ll discuss it, calmly and rationally. You wanna make with the insults, hey, I can do that too. You pay the piper, I’ll dance to the tune. Your call, not mine, and I almost never initiate personal attacks. I’ll freely respond to them however.
Mhendo, nice to see you have the courage of your convictions. Too bad you have the convictions of a coward. “I could explain but I don’t wanna 'cuz I don’t like you”. You’re really raising the bar buddy! Unfortunately, it’s the bar for spoiled 3 year olds.
As for the rest of you, I’m not whining about your personal attacks on me. I’m a big boy, I can take it. If you’ll read back, I never even took anybody to task for supporting this woman, mainly because nobody did, the only one who came close to doing that was Kimstu, and he was pretty clear that he was explaining and not endorsing. The rest of you got your panties in a bunch because I was “insulting liberals”. shrug Maybe I was. Most specifically, I was attacking this particular liberal idea, but hey, whatever floats your boat. If you think killing the messenger is a productive behavior, have at it. I personally think that you would be much better served by realizing “Hey, this one particular liberal idea is a real stinker! We should drop it”. It would definitely be in your interest as a liberal to do just that. “How did we get from a good idea (racism is wrong, diversity should be promoted, all men are equal) to something as outlandish as “All white people are racists. No exceptions”” being taught as diversity training to college students. I’d sure be interested in figuring that out if I was a liberal, if it happens to one idea then it can happen to others. Doing so wouldn’t mean that all liberal ideas need to be abandoned, just this particular one. I do that when evaluating ides from all sides of the political spectrum, all the time. I can give you a half dozen topics where I come down foursquare on the liberal side of things, and a half dozen where I’m as conservative as Pat Buchannan. It’s like some people can’t bear to consider that some parts of their ideology are wrong because doing so would be tantamount to admitting that all of it is wrong. Rubbish, but it leads to what we have in this thread. Nobody wants to defend the nonsense taught in the training in the OP was about, but if we admit that this is the distortion of a good basic liberal principle then we’ll be gasp admitting that sometimes the liberal POV is wrong and we can’t have that so all that’s left to do is…attack the person who pointed out that the emperor wasn’t wearing any clothes. Grr! Bad Weirddave! You suck! Etc, etc. It really doesn’t bother me at all. If I feel like it, I’ll respond in kind, if not, go on and tell yourself that you flamed the hair off my ass. Really. It’s OK, boy, you got me good. Meanwhile, anyone who does want to respond to the issue, go ahead. I’ll be glad to discuss it. Anyone who wants to toss insults, go ahead too. I’ll toss a few back.
But the whole point of our responses to you is that it isn’t a liberal idea, you muppet!
ETA: and when you screw up, pointing out that you screwed up isn’t engaging in personal attacks, it’s pointing out that you screwed up.
Yeah, cowardice, that’s what it is. I’m scared to debate you. That’s evidenced by all my previous encounters with you on this board.
I’ve simply decided that i should not reward your bilious idiocy with rational discourse.
Bullshit. It’s a liberal idea gone mad. I even pointed out which one in my last post. Try again.
Is white supremacy a conservative idea gone mad? If so, which conservative idea?
We never held it in the first place you colossal pillock! She did. It’s not a liberal idea. It’s a dumbshit idea held by someone who may or may not be a liberal. Why is this so bloody difficult for you? If some registered Republican professor came out as supporting apartheid, would you, as a Conservative, have felt a tinge of shame for unknowingly aligned yourself with a worldview that endorsed racial separation? Or would you be content to just call the guy a douche and have done with it? I assume you would have understood that the rantings of one professor aren’t the be all and end all of Conservatism, right? And what on earth would you make of those disingenuous people who would use our hypothetical racist prof to make generalisations about all Conservatives without consulting you or anyone else who answers to that appelation?
HA!
When you think you know something about a topic, the diarrhea that flows from your mouth is voluminous. If your posts were printed on paper it would take a small forest to publish them all. You positively delight in pontificating endlessly, desperately seeking to enlighten us from your endless fount of wisdom. Yet now- verily I say, it doeth cause one’s heart to flutter with admiration at witnessing such restraint- you refuse to address any of the points I have made because you don’t wish to “reward my bilious idiocy”. It all makes perfect sense. Thank you for deigning to grace my worthless question with an explanation for your princely behavior.
Fucking coward.
White Supremacy is a fascist ideology, it has nothing to do with conservatism. Find a fascist to defend it.
Oh another thing, Weirddave. You obviously buy into the whole ‘conservative v liberal’ spectrum that so many seem to take for granted. ‘Conservative’ and ‘liberal’ are the two sides of the spectrum, right?
Well… up above, you not only said that ‘all whites are racist’ is a liberal idea (which we’ve already told you you’re an idiot for), but you also said ‘racism is bad’ is a liberal idea.
Are you sure you want to say that? 'Cos then, what are you saying about conservatism?
Exactly. The “societal interpretation of racism” is a fairly radical-left view of race issues that is espoused by some liberals but rejected by the vast majority of them.
To call this concept a “liberal idea” makes no more sense than calling the doctrine of “white separatism” (as endorsed by Aryan Nation and similar neo-Nazi groups) a “conservative idea”.
Oh, okay then, and white separatism is a conservative idea gone mad. So’s fascism. So’s “Dominion theology”. Any nutty extremist idea can be artificially tacked on to a mainstream viewpoint by that kind of loose reasoning.
When you try to paint with that broad a brush, you end up not being able to say anything meaningful about what the terms “liberal” and “conservative” actually represent.
Ah, good! Glad to see you say that.
Of course it does make your earlier assertion to Miller, that liberals ought to ‘cast out’ Dr. Butler (as if she was ever ‘cast in’) in the same way that you feel you must distance yourself from David Duke, rather confusing.
If white supremacy really has nothing to do with conservatism (and I’m happy to say that it doesn’t) then why did you say you felt you needed to distance conservatism from it? Either you DO or you DON’T, which is it? 
Sigh . . . And yet again, what could have turned out to be a good debate if you had just admitted you were wrong about one little freaking part of your argument turns into another meltdown. Weren’t you the guy who got suspended over a World of Warcraft rant a couple of years ago?
A fucking World of Warcraft rant???
Have you never heard about the word “enough”?
Bullshit. This is a distortion of what has been one of the bedrock principles of liberals for generations. You know, the fight against racism, the civil rights struggle of the 50s and 60s, the notion of using government to ensure that all people are treated equally regardless of race, creed or color, and codifying that into law, those ideals? Remember them? Take those ideals, change a push for equality of opportunity to one for equality of outcome, add the desire to blame someone for the evils of racism and slavery, and that’s what gets you to the OP.
You might intend this ironically, but it’s actually true. It does take considerable restraint for me not to actually debate on this topic, because it’s one i find interesting and relevant. I could “pontificate endlessly” about the woman’s societal interpretation of racism, and about the ethical responsibilities of universities in hiring people like her, precisely because these are issues i think about a lot. That i choose not to might tell you something about how little regard i have for you as a person and as a debater. You’re just not worth the effort.
If it makes you feel better to think that, be my guest.
You will notice my response was to one specific poster who has made a career out trolling me in the exact same pattern that he is exhibiting in this thread. That’s what that post’s about, nothing else.
Have you heard the phrase ‘If my auntie had bollocks she’d be my uncle’? When you add so many bells and whistles to an idea that the end product bears no resemblance to the original idea, it is not meaningful to pair the two up, or to hold espousers of the first idea, responsible for the second.
And stop hating conservatives, man! They’re just as capable of abhorring racism as liberals!
Nice attempt to duck, but that doesn’t jibe with the fact that renowned conservative politician Trent Lott has spoken repeatedly at meetings of the white-supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens (note the name, btw), telling them that they “stand for the right principles and the right philosophy”.
By Weirddave Logic ™, the fact that one acknowledged conservative has endorsed the white-supremacist ideology means that white supremacy is a “conservative idea”.
Now do you begin to see the hazards of painting with such a broad ideological brush?
And there are fascist and totalitarian ideas that are distortions of bedrock conservative principles, too. But I don’t go around lecturing conservatives in general about how they need to shake loose from their fascist/totalitarian/white-supremacist/etc. ideological excesses.
That’s because I have sense enough to tell the difference between a “conservative idea” on the one hand, and a “distortion” of a conservative principle on the other.
Well, I say that white supremacy is a Conservative ideology. I say this because a few years ago I once heard an American Conservative called David Duke speak of it in positive terms. Shortly after I spent a lovely weekend repeatedly hurling myself head first into the Grand Canyon. The left side of my head is now flat as a pancake, I drool uncontrollably, and I have to wear a crash helmet every time I leave the house, but the price I paid was negligible compared to the clarity of vision I received as recompense as I was able to see, as you do, that any ideology can be attached to every member of any group so long as you can find one person from that group to endorse it. I concluded that a belief in the principles of White Power ideology could be reasonably attached to each and every Conservative, yourself included, based solely on the remarks of David Duke. I therefore call upon you to clearly and unequivocally repudiate this disgraceful ideology in the strongest terms available to you. 'Cuz if you don’t you’re a big fat racist.