Things everybody "knows" are cliches, that aren't

The Beats Hulk snaps his fingers while he drums you like a bongo?

The usual threats.

Most zombies don’t specifically eat braaaains. Just the ones from the The Return of the Living Dead films.

Literally true, but he came pretty close. From the movie “Taxi!” (1932), he used the following lines using “dirty” or “rat”:

“Those Consolidated (cab company) rats!”
“Those dirty finks!”
“Your penalty’s too good for that rat!”
“The dirty rat kills Danny, and you help him get away with it!”
“Come out, ya dirty yellow-bellied rat!”
“You dirty double-crossing little tramp.”

No, no!, It’s “Fire Bad. Tree Pretty!”

In Hollywood’s defense, I should point out that in The New Adventures of Tarzan, in which Edgar Rice Burroughs was both a co-writer and a co-producer, Nkima was played by a chimp. Zoology was never Burroughs’ strong suit. Nkima was whatever the plot required him to be.

No, I’m sorry – that’s not true. I read the Hulk at the beginning of his career, and there was no Hulk by night/Banner by day transition. For all I know that did happen later, but at first Banner either changed at unpredictable times, or even consciously changed by stepping on a gamma-ray emitter that looked like a bathroom scale. The whole changing-when-he-got-angry thing came later on.

Why should that be my intention? Alan Moore very clearly had a monstrously large Edward Hyde in his original Graphic Novel, from which the movie lifted it.

And Opium. Holmes seemed to spend rather a lot of his spare time in Opium Dens or indulging in Cocaine and Morphine. (Watson, I believe, describes this as “his friend’s only vice” and Holmes himself insists he only does it to take the edge off things.)

Also, the idea of Martian Fighting Machines completely wiping out the HMS Thunderchild and thus dooming the Human Race to Horrid Beastliness at the hands of the Martians comes from Jeff Wayne’s (otherwise outstanding) War Of The Worlds concept album. In H.G. Wells’ original work, at least three Dreadnoughts show up to fight the Martians, and the result is a 1-1 draw, with both sides losing a member and withdrawing to re-evaluate their strategy.

Similarly, the Martians are shown to be vulnerable to artillery in both the book and album- it’s later works that introduced the Martian Fighting Machines Being Invulnerable To Our Puny Earth Weapons cliche for the work.

When you’re armed with gigawatt infrared lasers, you’re only vulnerable if you get careless… :stuck_out_tongue:

1.) As discussed already, there was an explanation in the comic for why Hyde was larger than Jekyll. (P.S., It was published in serialized form–it was a comic, not a graphic novel. Nothing inherently less literary about one than the other, any more than “movie” is necessarily better than “television series.”)

2.) Alan Moore had not a damn thing to do with the movie other than having created the source material that was so thoroughly violated. Alan Moore’s Hyde had an explanation for being so big; I don’t think the movie’s did.

IIRC, Holmes only went into an opium den to solve a mystery. You’re right about the cocaine, but not the opium.

Isn’t one of the problems with Last Action Hero the notion that they’re “making fun” of a lot of common elements of cop movies that aren’t really all that common?

It’s like… “oh, of course, here comes the old cliche of the cartoon smoking cat buddy cop”. “Wait a minute… what is THAT supposed to be a spoof of? I don’t remember ever actually seeing that.”

I don’t think that was a cliche of anything specific. I took it as simply that they were supposed to be in the conglomerate universe of “fiction”, which included Saturday morning cartoons. So Toons were real there.

The only opium den Holmes visited in the stories was in “The Man With The Twisted Lip”, and he was on a case and in disguise: Watson went in to rescue a “sottish friend” who did chase the dragon, at the behest of the friend’s wife, and was astonished to find an undercover Holmes there, although of course he didn’t at first recognise him. I think we can be pretty certain that Holmes, on that occasion when he needed all his wits about him, did not inhale.

It doesn’t matter a damned bit if he retro-explains it – he’s the guy who came up with the idea and image, which has now gotten boosts from Moore’s other League of Extraordinary Gentlemen works, the movie that you hate, and its adoption by the Van Helsing movie. This now has the making of a meme. And Moore’s responsible.

And it doesn’t matter if it was published in serial form – something I’m quite aware of. Many such things are now referred to as “graphic novels” Especially Moore’s Watchmen.

I never said it did, and it’s irrelevant in any case. Moore didn’t give an explanation in the original series, by the way – it came in the second sereies. Maybe they’d have explained it in a second movie, if they ever made one.

Heh… I just observed an SDMB cliché partly imported from other media-buff forums: that if someone mentions the LOEG movie, Highlander II and above, ST V, or the State of Delaware, someone must fortwith(sp?) post to deny its existence. :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

It’s been a while since I’ve read all the Sherlock Holmes stories, but given his propensity for cocaine and morphine, I wouldn’t put the odd dabble with opium past him either (remember, it was legal and reasonably acceptable until the early years of the 20th century).

And the phrase was one of the things an audio parody, played by Dr. Demento picked on.

“to boldly go where everyone has gone before.”

It can be interpreted to mean that Star Trek TOS capitalized on various old science fiction themes. But it’s likely that it refers to your point.

- Jack

Technically, it did happen at least once in the comics. And on one of the typical fake-out covers.

In this one issue, we see that Alan Funt apparently has caught Clark changing to Superman. But the cover was misleading (big surprise, there), because Funt was actually in the process of playing the usual prank on someone. He said that everyone would now see a very confused reporter. (This was done on live TV, for some reason.)

In reality, Clark had set Alan up. He revealed that the costume he really had on was identical to Batman’s from the waist down. So he rhetorically asks whether this makes him Batman. (Yeah, I would have been thrown off by that too! :rolleyes:)

The phone booth was inside a museum, or some such, and was an old-style one that was not only completely enclosing, but completely opaque.

- Jack

Yeah, by people who are embarassed to say they read “comics.” Graphic novels are published in volumes (e.g., Craig Thompson’s Blanets). Comic books are published in serialized issues of about 20 pages (e.g., Watchmen). Because of the difference in length (as with television and movies), there are differences in style, format, pacing, etc., so it’s a useful distinction to maintain.

I believe it was Saturday Night Live that ran a skit with the monster (referred to as Frankenstein) being asked to a roundtable discussion on eliminating medium-ranged nuclear weapons in Europe (presumably Pershing II missiles), which were a hot debate topic at the time – did they make nuclear war more likely, because they were vulnerable to being overrun, forcing a “use them or lose them” decision at the worst point in a potential superpower crisis?

The other panelists gave erudite but dense and confusing summaries of their arguments for and against. The moderator then turned to Frankenstein and asked him to sum up his position.

Agitated, the monster waved his arms dramatically and bellowed, “Fire BAD!”

The point, of course, was that despite the monster’s comical panic, his blunt language and visceral fear gave a far better sense of the immediate dangers these weapons posed than all the dry blather about operational radius and warhead yield.

To me, what was funniest was that, similar to the book version, he was amazingly eloquent in the context SNL used him, despite the crude, clichéd language.

The politicians in real life apparently agreed, and both the US and USSR agreed to eliminate this entire category of weapons.

Fire bad, indeed.