Third Republican Debate

Well, red-haired Irish women do, if TV means anything.

Poor, wittle babies. Was someone not PC enough?

Really sucks to be on the receiving end for a change.

NBC previously, with a very piously and solemnly worded announcement, cut all ties with Trump due to his race baiting. But you know who’s hosting SNL next week?

It’s all posturing. If the money’s there, the deals will be made.

Meh.

“… pending further discussion … suspending …”

Already they have them spread heavy on the Fox and overtly conservative outlet side: “with Fox News and CNN having three each; and one each for ABC, CBS, NBC, CNBC, Fox Business Network, and a conservative media outlet to be announced.” (Wiki) The NBC one is one of only two after NH and Iowa and is right before the big groups go in early March.

They gonna give a fourth (fifth if you count Fox Business Network) to Fox? One to Cartoon Network? Just drop one?

Discussion will pend and reassurances of real news professionals moderating will be given and it will still happen. What the ratings will be by then I don’t know. I am guessing the next one on Fox Business Network will not be a big ratings getter even without a World Series on.

If the Republicans can’t handle CNBC journalists, how can they deal with Vladimir Putin?

Hell of a lot better than they could handle Rachel Maddow! I’m guessing that MSNBC wasn’t part of their considerations…

True, but I have to add: I rather have a media that is booed for making questions that many in a crowd do not like, rather than having a media that cheers the crowd.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0909/Fox_producer_rallied_tea_party_protesters.html

I do think there was value on what happened because I was not aware that not only Carson demonstrated gross ignorance of medical matters (that should had been his strength) but that he is also a quack.

Holy crap, the guy who told a huge national audience (over 20 million IIRC) that they should ignore their family doctor’s recommendations about when to get their kids vaccinated, is claiming that he voluntarily and unnecessarily let them cut open his taint and remove his prostate, just in case the five people who knew he had prostate cancer might not follow traditional medical procedures if he didn’t, because OBVIOUSLY if Ben Carson doesn’t get surgery, I’m not going to either?

And if it hasn’t been mentioned yet, his business manager today said that yes, he had indeed been under contract to Mannatech, so he can’t even stop himself from lying about stuff that’s extremely easy to check.

He’s not only an idiot, he’s a pathological liar. And he’s leading the polls.

Actually, it looks like the GOP candidates handled Moe, Larry, and Harwood very easily. It’s the talking heads on CNBC who couldn’t handle an autographed picture of Vladimir Putin. :smiley:

Carson will fade and eventually it will probably be Rubio and Cruz leading. At least Rubio I can stomach. Cruz is not someone I could support at all. He is so far to the right though I think he would lose easily to HRC in a general election.

BTW: Trump is leading, Carson is only 2nd. He is leading a few states though.

Of course it’s true.

The media was boo’d because they were supposed to be impartial moderators. The audience expected business and financial experts to ask business and financial questions. The alleged moderators were expected to act like adults, and not truculent children with an ax to grind.

CNBC very publically pissed on their own reputation.

Only since you asked, Harwood straight up lied twice. First, was this question to Rubio:

The Tax Foundation, which was alluded to earlier, scored your tax plan and concluded that you give nearly twice as much of a gain in after-tax income to the top one-percent as to people in the middle of the income scale. Since you’re a champion of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, don’t you have that backward?

Rubio responded that’s not true and that Harwood even had to correct himself for making the same assertion previously. Harwood denied that.

John Harwood tweet from Oct 14:

*CORRECTING earlier tweet: Tax Foundation says Rubio benefits lowest 10% proportionally more (55.9) than top 1% (27.9%). *

His second lie was so stupid I can’t imagine why he bothered. When Trump said he and other candidates negotiated the time of the debate down to two hours from three, Harwood just had to throw in there, “this debate was always going to be two hours.” We know that’s a lie because moments earlier when Carly Fiorina asked for more time to answer, Harwood said, “you candidates wanted to shorten this debate…oh go ahead.” Plus the negotiation from 3 to 2 hours was pretty public knowledge beforehand.

There may have been others, but those were the most obvious.

I wonder why Reince Priebus (*) doesn’t think so.

(*) I cannot think, say, or write his name without wanting to turn it into Prince Rebus.

I don’t see the lie. In the debate, he compared the top 1% to people in the middle of the income scale. As far as I know, he’s correct. His earlier tweet, which you quote here, doesn’t mention the middle, and compares the top 1% and bottom 10%.

WaPo doesn’t agree.

Sounds like zero documented lies.

I’m sure that will happen right after the hate-mongers on MSNBC apologize for all of the false stories and false rumors they created about Chris Christie being responsible for Bridgegate??? But I don’t believe that has ever been a part of MSNBC’s considerations. Better luck next millennium.

And in the last nationwide poll released. FWIW.

MOE +/- 7%.

If you could be more specific? I don’t watch MSNBC all day, and Al Sharpton, whom I don’t consider to be a journalist, used to have a show, so I can’t say for sure that nobody on MSNBC got the story wrong. But you were responding to a post that mentioned Maddow, and I do watch her, and if you have a cite for her getting the story wrong without a prompt correction (I think her show transcripts are all posted) I would like to see it, because my recollection is that she was scrupulous in attributing the orders to Christie’s staff, and produced the emails that proved it.

But point of order, no matter who in his office gave the order, isn’t Christie responsible for it in the same sense that Hillary is responsible for the security in Benghazi?

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Business groups do think that it is interesting to point to the kind of deals Carson was involved with.

The guys at the International Business Times do not look at the booing, they also think it was a good question.

It’s even worse than that. Rubio’s plan only got the favorable rating for 1% versus poor because the plan as submitted to the Tax Foundation would be a massive expansion of the welfare state. After getting the numbers back, Rubio’s campaign insists that’s not how the plan will work, but they keep using the bogus numbers because it makes them look good. A plan scored the way the Rubio campaign says it would work would show the poor getting a small fraction of the benefit to the top 1%, but that plan has never been submitted to the Tax Foundation.

Not only is Harwood not lying, Rubio is the deceitful one trying to pull a huge bait-and-switch with his plan and hoping the voters aren’t smart enough to notice.

Wondered if the Tax Foundation had responded, and they did, they said something. Didn’t understand a word, don’t know if it supported Rubio’s version or not. Usually when that happens, its by design, but hereya go,

Clarifying the Distributional Effects of the Rubio-Lee Tax Plan