And why is that? Octopus gets to say he “respects (your) service” but protests that calling me a “delicate blossom” (or something similiar; I ain’t going back to look)in no way contradicts that, which is obvious bullshit. They never get nailed for that shit, and they just keep doing and saying the same shit a zillion times.
I haven’t forgotten civility. And I’m confident my position would stand up in court. It falls under reasonable use of force. Despite repeated attempts to block the driver he did not cause harm to the masked person carrying a stick. despite continuing to block him he slowly pulled away from the curb which gave the masked person the opportunity to withdraw. Any contact with the car is due to the masked person deliberately and repeatedly blocking the driver.
Here’s an example and cite.
In Wisconsin, the use of force is outlined in state statute 939.48, which reads:
(1) A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself.
If you want to discuss it that’s fine. I disagree with those who think the masked person wasn’t responsible for what we saw in the video. I haven’t called them names even if I think their position is poorly thought out.
The only advantage of posting in the pit is that I can see the metal of the person posting. There is some hope that people recognize their treatment of others will reflect back on them. Civility or the lack thereof affects the world around us. This is what we saw in the video. A person who continued to harass someone until it turned into a fist fight.
I propose we create a Trumpie dictionary, to really nail down their world view.
"A person continued to harass another person…
Person A existed in front of Trumpie B, who took offense at Person using B’s oxygen, *right in front of him! * The NERVE!
Yeah, that awful, unarmed pedestrian, FORCING the driver to get out of the car and pummel him into the ground. See what you made me do?
What stick? It was an umbrella that fell from behind his backpack and then made unintentional contact with the vehicle.
Have you actually watched the, above posted, news coverage of the event with much better video?
CMC fnord!
I propose you respond to what I cited as a point of argument instead of a political tirade. Clearly you have some kind of political ax to grind.
Yes, I’ve seen it. You can clearly hear him striking the vehicle which is much louder than the noise of the driver yelling at him. whether the damage is from the stick or his fists doesn’t alter the fact that he continues to harass the driver and at that point likely damaged the vehicle.
NONE of this would have happened had he not continued to block the driver and then strike his vehicle.
Hey, shitstain-It is obvious that you are lying like a lying liar just to piss people off.
There. Is. No. Stick. You. Fucking. Idiot.
Stick or umbrella it doesn’t change the metrics of what occurred. It’s still “umbrella” man blocking the driver repeatedly and then striking the vehicle.
It’s entirely due to the masked man’s actions. The driver was minding his own business.
The entire incident was the result of the masked man repeatedly blocking the driver and then striking his car.
Are you doing this as parody, or are you actually this delusional to believe that a damn automobile is in the same category of weapon as a “stick”? It does not matter that the loon didn’t actually run over the man on the ground; what matters is that the driver used an automobile as a weapon and, for the non-delusional reader, that means he attacked the man on the ground with a deadly weapon.
ETA: The word you were looking for is mettle, not metal. But that sure is a funny mistake given the topic currently at hand.
Fuckwit, your politics are what motivate your trolling ass.
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It’s delusional to suggest the driver was in danger of imminent death or bodily harm. He wasn’t. No matter how emphatically you argue otherwise.
That said…
I’m not sure what you think you’re responding to, but it’s certainly nothing related to what I said.
The point you continue to fail to address, my civil minded friend, is that the entire premise of the video was a lie. It was taken out of context and represented as something entirely different by identified extreme right wing sources. It was designed to deceive it’s target audience.
So, regardless of what you believe about the actions of either actor in the video, do you:
A) Admit that the video does not depict a socio-politically related incident? (i.e.: No protests, no Antifa, etc…)
B) Concede that the goal of the video, as depicted, was a deliberate attempt to deceive/manipulate by the right wing media outlet?
C) Were inclined to draw an incorrect conclusion as a result of that deception?
D) At a minimum, agree, an umbrella is not a stick and was not used as a weapon.
Because if we can’t agree on what we’re all looking at, no amount of polite conversation is going to help us in an effort to build a more polite society. And the only mettle being tested here is your commitment to deliberate spreading of lies in the face of revealed truth.
Nine different posts on the front page alone…
No weapon. No stick. No bat. Not armed.
An umbrella that the guy never even held in his hand.
Fuck him, and fuck you.
That’s not how the law reads.
(1) A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person.
The driver was repeatedly blocked by the masked turn-signal avenger. He used minimal force to leave. Had the masked man not continued the escalation then he would have walked away unharmed. But he chose to continue escalating it until he was harmed in a fist-fight.
Yes, I stated this earlier. It’s not about politics.
yes to all. Except I haven’t promoted anything political. I posted an example of a left wing wackjob killing people in my city but it was because he was crazy and not political. I also said there was no establishment of political affiliation with either party in post 489.
The original video looked like he swung a stick of some kind which made the noise. From the other video it it appears he does swing on the car and strikes it with his fist (with the umbrella striking it secondarily as a result of his swinging motion). At this point he is still escalating something he started.
I’ve posted a cite regarding the law in a situation like this. A person is entitled to use force (in proportion) to unlawful interference. I’ve given a personal example of using measured force in front of a policeman in response to someone deliberately blocking me. It was the person blocking me who received the officer’s attention. Not me.
This is what appears in the video. But there is a disconnect between the idea of the arbitrary use of a car to push a random person out of the way vs it’s use as a measured force in the face of a specific person deliberately blocking the way. It was done in such a way as to avoid harming the person blocking the car. It was done after first stopping and talking to the person deliberately blocking the way.
This is the argument that people don’t seem to understand and refuse to address beyond single line name calling. I don’t see where the bullying tactic of name calling serves any purpose. When I see people repeatedly doing this in public to others I’m not surprised at the eventual outcome of isolation it creates for the bully.
Do you need a new shovel, Magiver? That one’s getting pretty worn with all the digging.
It looked like a billy club flying out of his forearm sleeve after he cocked to punch the vehicle. ymmv
I cited law. I gave a real world example of the law applied in front of a police officer.