This is Boehner's shutdown

Then we play out The Passion of the Speaker.

There are always factions in both parties and someone gets the most votes in conference and gets supported by the party when the House votes. I think you’re assuming much more of a sharp delineation in the current Republican party than actually exists.

If Boehner goes down it would be because as a practical matter, when hot-button issues are in such sharp focus it’s hard to avoid alienating one or another faction. But that doesn’t mean that the next speaker couldn’t be someone ideologically very similar to Boehner but who kept his mouth shut tighter or was further removed from the action.

Good news, our long national nightmare is over: the House GOP is proposing to create a supercommittee!

Great idea! That last one worked so well.

Worked great if you’re in the “Fuck it, kill it all” anti-government faction of the GOP. You know, the same people who orchestrated and cheer on the current shutdown this supercommittee is supposed to fix.

Great! So now they can extort the nation under the guise of bipartisanship. Or rather, continue their failed leadership and attempt to share the blame with Democrats and take the heat off Boehner.

Fail.

It may well be Boehner’s shutdown but the reality is and always has been that if the country sinks into chaos the buck stops at the White House. Unfair? Maybe, but it’s the man at the top that needs to find a way out of this.

Okay, but the next supercommittee goes in the opposite direction. If Congress doesn’t approve its plan, then we raise taxes across the board and go to war with two foreign countries.

No. Boehner is flat out lying and the CBS estimate does not protect him. He us lying to pretend that it is not his fault because the votes are not there to pass a clean CR. if he was certain the votes are not there and he in fact opposes a clean CR he can have the vote and prove that he and the vast majority of Republicans won’t pass it.

Since he won’t allow an up or down vote he is lying. He’s playing a game and lying at the same time.

Remember he is seeking Press sympathy with this lie. Poor me, I can’t stop this. I am a victim of thirty mad dogs in my caucus

Don’t give him any. He is a liar.

But the Dems ain’t having none of that.

Really?

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I am not so sure that this House’s factions are the same as factions in the past. The TP faction has become more explicit in their no compomises desire. Better no GOP than a GOP that is not the one they want. Minimally better a smaller GOP that is more pure and holds onto its position of obstructionism than a larger one that reduces their power over the group. Better a government that does not function than one that accomplishes things that go against their wishes. Those of the GOP who are not TP are realizing that a policy of appeasement is going to work as well for them as it did for Chamberlin.

I think you are asuming less delineation in the current Republican party than actually exists. Maybe I am wrong … certainly I would have argued the other way a few weeks ago … we’ll see.

To put it in clear perspective:

“This mess was created by the Republicans for one purpose, and they lost. People in my district are calling in for Obamacare – affordable health care – in large numbers. These guys have lost, and they can’t figure out how to admit it… So we sit here until they figure out they fuckin’ lost.”

– Rep. Jim McDermott (D-WA)

Sorry, not buying it. Journalism dies when it is put in front of a television camera. The consumers of journalism are the public whose interest is in becoming informed about the events of the world.

The consumers of television are the advertisers whose interest is in profiting by getting their advertising messages relayed into numerous homes.

These interests are orthogonal to one another.

How do you think newspapers and magazines pay the bills?

The ugly truth of the print media business, journalism or not, is that the *readers *are the product, and the customers are the advertisers. They sell access to a readership with a well-known demographic composition to companies desiring to sell their products to that demographic, using advertising as the medium. That’s the core of the business plan. Subscription fees are negligible parts of it, and some publications don’t even bother charging if they judge that it would turn away too many readers, IOW reduce the value of the true product. Printing articles and photos etc. is just a way to keep the readership engaged in the medium, exposed to the advertising.

I know, I used to run a newspaper. So are you saying there are no true journalists, even in print, because of this business model?

Not buying what?

You said Journalists don’t have shows.

Rachal Maddow is a journalist. She has a show. Many do. You are wrong.

As long as journalist/hosts of regularly programmed TV shiws present facts according to their profession there is no conflict.

There is no problem referring to these programs as shows.

If you need to avoid the word ‘show’ when watching a news program - that’s fine.

I doubt many have a problem with that word.

It does not change or keep journalism from happening.

Ted Cruz said something of the kind recently . . . Of course, he assigned the Hitler and Chamberlain roles . . . differently.

Not in Scotland, anyway. :dubious:

*Certainly *good journalism helps attract readers who want to read good journalism. But even journalists are company employees and sometimes need to remember that. Your point?