I’m pretty sure that is not a complete thought, but words are hard, i know.
Several posters already reported, not on this thread but on the same Elections forum, how the new law is showing the excess costs due to the relative lack of competition in the old system.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16731292&postcount=558
Elsewhere it was noticed that in one state the plans for people working on their own showed a reduction of more than $700, you bet that a lot of would be entrepreneurs looked at the numbers and decided to stay put in their lousy works, that is BTW called Job Lock, and it means less freedom for Americans and one has to remark that many new jobs (a new secretary, people working for a start-up, etc) are also never coming in that kind of environment.
It is still a LAW not a bill, indeed, I prefer to have problems with grammar rather than having problems in identifying propaganda and to get fooled by it.
You’re a little unclear about the subject of the thread, which is the Republican’s attempt to sabotage a law through extortion instead of the political process.
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ACA expands the insurance and health care industry significantly, and in no sensible way puts it under government "domination’. Don’t pay so much attention to your party’s and your TV channel’s talking points.
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You have just demonstrated that you have no fucking clue what fascism was, and how much real human suffering it caused. But you’re not going to be spoonfed an education here; you have to do your own learning.
I find that if you sample a large number of sources, instead of ThinkProgress, Mother Jones, Media Matters, etc, that there is in fact anecdotal evidence that health care costs will go up.
Paul Krugman: “Everybody not inside the bubble realizes that Mr. Obama can’t and won’t negotiate under the threat that the House will blow up the economy if he doesn’t — any concession at all would legitimize extortion as a routine part of politics” (From his Op Ed today)
Obama is really backed into a corner on this. If he pays a ransom to the extortionists now, then what happens the next time? It’s like Lincoln in the first couple weeks of his administration. He could have let the United States fall apart and not do anything about the seceding states, or he could do what he did. Obama has the same sort of choice this time and his decision is simple and easy.
Extortion is an interesting word to use in this context.
No shit is expands the insurance industry! The government is mandating that we buy their product. Are you blissfully unaware of the coverage mandates associated with the ACA or unaware that they amount to state control of private enterprise?
You have demonstrated you have no clue about textbook explanations of economic and political systems. This is basic stuff here, bud. Goosestepping and Brownshirts are not defining characteristics of fascism. State control over private enterprise is.
Nah, the $700 drop was reported by Forbes.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=16644697
I guess you have a cite for the insurance companies not offering some plans now because of orders from the government.
Once again, a lot of the FUD is coming from companies that do not want to see more competition cutting on their profits. Both in the insurance and in other companies as they do not want to see start ups appearing without the ball and chain that the high cost of insurance was, they rather keep the current status were they get a break (an unfair one IMHO) over small companies and start-ups thanks to their size.
Ah, crap. I was really looking forward to the Uncle Jocko creed being a thing. That would have been cool. 
You asked for the handbook on how laws are repealed, I provided it.
Besides this shutdown started because the GOP wanted to delay the ACA by a year, not defund or repeal it.
As has been repeated many times over the ACA is already funded, which is why health exchanges are open for business while the (non-funded) WW2 memorial is closed.
And the GOP has tried to repeal it. 42 times. They don’t have the votes. It’s the law, it’s funded, that’s how a representative democracy works.
**19 Times Democrats Tried to Negotiate With Republicans
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The 19 attempts are listed along with the name of the Republican who blocked each one.
Wow it’s one thing to read about fearful and paranoid conservatives in a focus group but to witness the hyperbolic mischaracterizations in full-force before my very eyes…it’s quite breathtaking.
This is John Boehner’s shutdown. Period. It isn’t Senate majority leader’s, it isn’t the president’s. Boehner has brought us here, he’s keeping us here, and he’s steering us off the cliff. He believes, along with a very sizable chunk of conservatives, that the only way to regain any real power is by damaging the country and/or public opinion of the government on Obama’s watch. Period. Modern-day conservatives have become cross between Al Qaeda and the old Confederacy. Caring more about their own interests than the interests of the greater good or the Republic itself.
Desperate, cornered dogs do desperate and terrible things. Problem is, you all cornered yourselves. Up until about three years ago, this was all just the usual ebb and flow of political parties taking and losing power. But now you guys are chewing off your own leg to get out of a corner no one was keeping you in to begin with.
From Bob Costa’s reporting today:
We must at least reschedule the destruction of America?
No, it’s you who needs to do that, if you think this half-assed thing amounts to fascism. It only is to the sort of person to whom public libraries amount to fascism.
I recall that old-crank-lady at a Town Hall on the ACA, asking Barney Frank how he could support such a “Nazi policy.” He responded by comparing her to a table, to be ignored, which was fair. But he might better have pointed out that while Germany had UHC under the Nazis, it also had it before the Nazis. It was introduced by Bismarck. And he was no fascist (fascism was not yet invented), nor a socialist, neither. He introduced UHC, and universal-old-age pensions, to prevent socialism in Germany, to take some of the momentum out of the socialist movement there by pre-empting a couple of its least-radical demands. In the same way, FDR’s New Deal, intentionally or unintentionally, did take some wind out of the sails of the American Socialist Party and the Communist Party USA (both much bigger deals, then, than most now remember).
Journalists don’t have shows.
Also the ACA is a plan based on one originally put forward by those commie bastards at the Heritage Foundation.
Thing is, conservatives aren’t really against the the ACA. They’re against a president that represents secular values, minorities, foreign cultures, perceived “gun-grabbing” and perceived “government dependency.” Damaging his signature legislation and the federal government under his watch is the only way they know to fight this evil and oppressive man, and keep their narrow culture and values alive.
Doesn’t matter if they were for it before, or if they even wrote it, Obama and the Democratic Party are the enemy and must be destroyed in order for their own self preservation. Republic be damned!
By that thinking all industrial regulation is fascist. You don’t believe that, do you?
Then what distinguishes fascism from socialism? (N.B.: A response amounting to “Nothing!” will only display your ignorance.)