This is Sheriff Arpaio's idea of a school-protection posse

No, you’re right, and I agree. My point now is that the MCSO doesn’t seem to have checked on these arrest records.

Why do you draw that conclusion?

No, a mere arrest should not be a disqualifying factor, for anything really.

But I am confused about why we are even arguing about this in respect to Cutler, when the KPHO story clearly states that his record was expunged after he completed an anger-management program. So, dude copped a plea. Makes him guilty, right?

Yeah, but if his record was expunged, you can’t very well blame Arpaio for not knowing about it.

Because I wouldn’t have selected a bunch of guys with arrests for violent felonies to serve in my school posse. I suppose it’s possible that all the arrests were unfounded, but how likely is that?

Not in the least. He may have agreed to complete an anger management program while still maintaining his innocence, or simply maintaining the state lacked sufficient evidence to convict him.

I have no idea – how many posse members are there? What’s the incidence of unfounded arrests in a sample group where not one arrest led to a conviction?

I don’t know, but at least two of the posse members (Jacob Cutler and Clark) were sworn officers at the time of their arrests, and now they’re not.

If they have not been found guilty in a court of law, we must presume they are innocent, and therefore, perfectly cromulent to protect Bricker’s kids. And if that works for him, it works for him.

The thing is… if you want to make the case that a particular posse member should not have been hired, it seems like YOU have to make that case. You’re starting from an article that has already shown to be sloppy in a very major way, and asking me to accept inferences drawn from that same questionable well.

Those are from the KPHO article cited in the Salon piece, not the Salon piece itself.

I’m a very rational person when it comes to politics. Or contracts. Torts. Car repair. My kid, not so much. Lot of folks are like that. Add to that the fact that I already don’t trust Sheriff Joe any further than I could throw a lead basketball.

You would? Cross your heart, scout’s honor, you would let him pick people to protect your kids?

OK. I’ll say that any conduct which would prevent a person from being hired as a police officer by the New York Police Department should also prevent that person from becoming a posse member.

Nothing in that Salon article lays out any such disqualifications.

Well played :smiley:

And for the record, i already thought of Sheriff Joe as a bigot, an idiot and a shameless grandstanding attention whore.