Miguel’s family was garbage. I like the show, but it would be more interesting if the villains weren’t so cartoony. Show us that Miguel was a shitty father. Or that his ex lied (but please don’t do that because evil ex wife trope hurts some of us real ex wives in real life). Show us complexity and confusion. Show us them being dicks as sulky teens, not grown ass people my age FOR NO REASON APPARENT TO US VIEWERS.
I did, however, really like how the daughter-in-law physically reached out to Mandy Moore and held her hand during the blow up. That was a very nice touch. I liked her.
The daughter grabbed Miguel’s hand at the end of the rant. There is just a lot of hate from the kids to Miguel that doesn’t seem justified. That annoys me.
Miguel was a Cat’s in the Cradle dad. Depending on how old his kids were at the time of the divorce, it may have been too late to rebuild.
The son is older than the big 3 (lifeguard Adonis in Kate’s story), and the daughter is the same age or maybe a year older (sleep over with Kate).
So, depending on how much older, it’s possible he was pissed enough at Miguel by the time of the divorce that he just didn’t want to reconcile, with potentially a bit of ‘mom poison’ thrown in. The daughter did the hand holding thing, which lines up with her at least appreciating him making the attempt post-divorce, even if it was a day late and a dollar short.
But the son is an ass - at ~40, it’s time to let it go (and Becca hardly ‘stole’ his dad 10 years after the divorce after mom was already remarried).
Toby and Kate are having a boy. Why is Kate going to a community college to finish up a four year degree?
So Uncle Nick isn’t dead. Did he go AWOL and hide from Jack all these years?
Becca has secrets. Huh.
I think Beth was a little out of line. The poll was taken BEFORE the debate, where Randall performed well. It’s not the presidential primary, it’s a two candidate city council seat. Randall should see it to the bitter end. It seems hinted at the end that Randall and Beth may have divorced?
I think this points a bit to Randall’s cluelessness. He’s so idealistic and he wants to fix everything. He wants to make everyone happy, even if that means making unrealistic promises. He wanted Beth to be a part of the campaign to make her feel included, even though she was way out of her depth and realized it pretty quickly. I did think how they handled Tess was lovely.
Depends on what she was missing - it is possible (if unlikely) that she was missing some basic courses that the CC offers. I know that I saved at least one easy course for my last year just to make the overall load easier. Although there would be a question of if her 4-year school would let them transfer in after all these years, but it’s TV and one needs to let things go.
I can’t decide what would be odder - that Jack knew he was alive but let everyone think he was dead (possibly by Nick’s request) or that somehow Nick fooled him. I originally was thinking that a remark from Jack’s dad said that he was dead, but now I wonder if it was more along the lines of “you didn’t bring him home” and I read “he died” into that (as the writers obviously wanted).
We’ve covered Becca’s main secret, that Randall’s birth father was alive. She may have others, of course.
Apologies for resurrecting a slightly stale thread, but I am here to complain that the season finale obviously didn’t feel like a season finale to me, since I keep going back to it on Hulu to watch another episode and realizing AGAIN that I already watched the season finale. I just did the same thing here - I came to this thread to catch up on the discussion and realized AGAIN that I’d already done that.
It wasn’t the season finale- it was the “fall finale” . Which just means that they aren’t showing new episodes between Thanksgiving and January - there’s a new episode 1/15, I think
I partly blame Toby. If those action figures we’re so valuable, he should have had them hidden somewhere that Kate wouldn’t find them. Also, is it that hard to write out “Do Not Sell”?
I did too but she wasn’t correct… exactly. Robert wasn’t Joff’s adoptive father, just his presumed father. Legally his father, despite not genetically related.
Mandy Moore just pops in for a second, huh?
I didn’t like this episode much. I didn’t get the point of showing us the end and then showing us the beginning. That works well for a shocking “how did we get here” episode but the ending wasn’t exactly a surprise when we got to it, nor was it “Gee, I have to see how this happened” at the beginning.
They could have made two piles of Toby’s toys; a larger pile of stuff to sell and a small one of the ones he wanted to keep. And if their child is born this year, when he is eight years old, the original Star Wars movie will be fifty years old. The movie. and the action figures, is not going mean as much to the kid as it does to Toby. Similarly, the kid will have no connection to Three Rivers Stadium, especially as the kid is being raised in Los Angeles.