This thread got hijacked to a discussion over how to stop airplane bombers. Silverstreak Wonder posted this suggestion:
That really bothered me, because it implies that devout Muslims can’t be part of “we” which I guess means us non-bomber Americans. Then he went on to make it even worse:
So I guess being a devout Muslim is having “Middle Eastern values” and Muslims can’t have good old 'merican values like the rest of this. The 15,000 US Arab American’s who fought in WWII and thisguy would find that interesting.
And here’s another of those insidious freedom-hating Muslims who’d be caught by that clever plan, Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan.
Yeah, IAWTPitting. That’s pretty moronic and insulting.
(Though your OP is a bit narrow… I doubt you meant to, but it implies an issue with the millions of non-American Muslims, the vast majority of whom aren’t bombers.)
Honestly I’m an agnostic and would have a problem standing on a Koran or a Bible or any other entity that others consider holy or sacred. It just seems grossly disrespectful.
There’s another flaw in Silverstreak Wonder’s Baldrick-worthy cunning plan: For those nutcases who blow up planes, most seem to believe that they can break whatever tenets of their religion they need to in order to kill infidels. It’s kind of a glaring, major flaw, too.
I also disagree with choie above, though. As an atheist, I’d have no problem standing on a copy of the Qur’an, Bible, or The God Delusion. They’re just books.
Hmmm, looks like a missed point by you. I never said moslems can’t be American like your title says. The choice in the thread was why make everyone do a body search, let us just search the moslems, and the more devout the more likely to be bad guys with bombs.
Someone then said they would just say they are not moslem, OK,I agree, and suggest this good test that will only work on one of those devout idiots that would be the most likely to have a bomb. They are afraid of stepping on stuff related to their silly beliefs, so they would have to go to the total search line to avoid stepping on an area that would contain their silly holy word koran.
But all that happens is he gets searched totally, and if we don’t do this then the other solution is to search everyone. In that case he ALSO gets searched, so there is no downside for a moslem at all here. Yes I stand by that. He is never made to step on his word either, just be searched. It doesn’t mean all are bombers or anything, it means all of them that devout should be checked first. They have declared jihad against us.
You then answer with sillyness about will we burn NRA cards next and all that. That would not help stop weapons, that is what the metal detector is for, so we are doing that kind of check. You ask if a bible at an abortion clinic would work, I said no because we have no panic over standing on something, but if it might help reduce it they are welcome to try it.
Bottom line is I totally support profiling, and as long as they can still get on and have no bombs I fail to see any downside to the idea. It would be much faster than a total search of all passengers. We would still do the metal detector for all.
By the way how many people who did get on a plane with a gun and did harm with it were NRA members? I am not a member by the way. But I still suspect it was zero. How many suicide bombers were devout moslems, as a percent? Darn close to all. Don’t they all want korans in Gitmo? That ought to suggest a relationship.
Oh, Borg you do indeed have a good point, moslems will indeed violate their own rules. For instance that they are not to kill other moslems and there were plenty at the Trade Center.
Good point, but it does seem to stop with the koran thing, remember even the hijackers had korans in their luggage on the flight, they found. This does seem to be a point where they will stop.
It would work even better on a devout one who was just talked into doing it, rather than step on koran he might well take the search, thinking his devil will hide the bomb from the infidels or something.
You silly naive person. In prison they are not in danger of being caught so of course they can revere Islam safely. If they know they will be singled out if they “blaspheme” the holy book, then almost all will do so in service of their mission.
ETA: and I wrote that before you posted this
Are you serious? Really? The terrorists were generally too well-educated to believe stuff like that.
The word is Muslim, not “Moslem,” just FYI.
Imagine if everyone was required to spit on a Bible before going into a hospital. That’s the equivalent of what you’re asking. You can try to say that it’s different if you want, but it’s not to me. I don’t have any hangups about spitting a pile of meaningless paper with somebody’s ridiculous religious beliefs written on it. It doesn’t hurt anybody, and all anti-abortion terrorists are Christians, so anyone who isn’t willing to spit on a Bible needs to be stopped and strip searched. If they don’t have any bombs, the can be sent on their way. It’s only really devout Christians who would have a problem with spitting on their stupid, fairy book, and they’re the ones who are most likely to be looking to kill a doctor.
Contra, all the Gitmo people were fighting against us, and they all want korans, so yes there is a connection. I never said any were suicide bombers but I do recall a couple of failed bombers we caught and they may be there for all I know. Bottom line is they all wanted to kill us.
Although it was a common epithet from my childhood, this is a great reason to resurrect the word “retard.” Silverstreak Wonder is a total retard.
Imagine Al Qaeda plotting in a cave somewhere: “We heard that patriotic Americans will not burn a flag. It is anathema to those who love the nation of infidels! They treat their flag as we do the word of Mohammed, peace be upon him. To foil the CIA spies who seek to infiltrate our circle of trust, we will make everyone we meet burn an American flag. A CIA agent will refuse to burn the flag, therefore we will catch the Zionists among us! It is a retard-proof plan!”
Lud, they all carried korans, so they were not that smart looks like to me. Ever read it? Second grade level and repeats over and over with no story to it, but they had it.
Diog, you are comparing unlike things, I said they would never have to stand on it to get on board at all, they could go into the search line and avoid that. How can you compare that to your idea requiring spitting, and what would it accomplish, are you saying Christians should not get into hospitals then? I am only trying to keep bombs off planes. a legit safety thing. How would your idea help anything? I don’t get it.
Rave, my idea works because devout jihad people are so stupid, your idea would never work as CIA agents are smart and they would do the test with no problem. My idea works only on the dumbest folks you can imagine on the planet, and yep, them are the jihad folks.
See, I don’t think it would work at all. Completely disregarding the whole freedom of religion issue and looking at this solely from a practical standpoint, I can see this stopping maybe one lone wolf bomber with no ties to anyone, and he probably wouldn’t be competent enough to smuggle anything dangerous onto a plane regardless. For the bombers who are actually supported by organizations like al Qaeda, this won’t work. Al Qaeda leadership, while highly deluded, is not completely stupid. They’d tell their fellow fucktard, the actual bomber guy, “The infidels will ask you to step on a copy of the Qur’an. Do this and do not hesitate! Allah will forgive this minor transgression, for you shall have served his will by detonating this bomb and killing many infidels.” All this would do is alienate the 99.99% of Muslims who are not suicide bombers and provide a false sense of security to some travelers. It’d also open the door for some massive lawsuits alleging religious discrimination against the federal government. Simply put, your plan won’t work; there’s no foolproof test of religious loyalty like you’re searching for.
Diana, I don’t get your point, we have a reason to search for explosives, but what would be the reason we need to separate out the Christians, they are not threatening any flights? So no, I am not good with that till you tell me how that would make flying safer? Remember yet again I am not stopping them flying nor requiring them to step on their koran to fly, just submit to a total search.
