Thoughts on Pornography

I would like to know what the dopers out there think of the vast amounts of pornography, as well as the escalation of nudity and other sexual remarks in the public mainstream.

What do you think of the morality of pornography?

Also what are your thoughts on the ease at which our children have access to such ‘adult’ entertainments?

The way women, as well as men are portrayed in these sexual ways?

Should it be banned?

What are your thoughts on the glorification of those who participate in these ‘lewd’ professions? The way people look at strippers, the common opinions of Hef and Larry Flynt(sp)?

I am hoping for well thought out discussion on the way pornography affects people.

Thanks… lets see what happens.

Personally, I think that if a kid accidentally gets to see pornography at “too young” an age, he or she will merely go “ewwww!” and go back to looking at video clips of X-wing fighters. I do not think it will “warp” the poor young-un.

I do not think that it is immoral. Two consenting adults are having sex that is being filmed for profit. Not immoral.

Well, this is kind of gray area for me. I mean, I had access to pornography at a young age myself, about 10, and I don’t know how I would’ve turned out if I didn’t have access to it. But most likely, I think I’d be the same – still horny.

It is their choice. No one is forcing them to participate in it. They are being compensated monentarily, and they can quit whenever they want. No problem there.

Fuck no.

They provide other men a way of releasing their tension. In layman’s terms, it is easier to masturbate with the use of visual aids.

vandal wrote:

So to speak.

(Sorry, I couldn’t resist.)

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That’s one “small freaking world, huh?”

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Sorry, Thought.

Um…on-topic: Pornography is constitutional; can’t be banned.

I don’t like it. Why should it be so hard for them?
If they are old enough to be curious about sex then for heaven’s sake teach them about sex. Part of the reason that Americans are so obsesed with sex is the fact that it is hidden and taboo.

(Well, that might get a debate going.)
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Banned? So who is going to judge what is obscene? A 80 year old Judge who hasn’t had sex in 30 years? Jerry Falwell? Your Sunday school teacher? Hey, I know this great dude, he was a Cardinal & everything, lets let him judge! Cardinal Torquemada, what do you think, is this material obscene? “No, those pictures of sexual perverts are only minor sins, but that King James Bible you have ther, THATS obscene” “Everyone who has a copy must be burned at the stake”.

If they can put you in jail for a picture of sex, they can do it for a book on how to build bombs, and it is only a matter of time until they can do it for the wrong kind of Bible.

I’m with you on that one. Pornography is a right. As long as it is not forced down your throat(sorry) then whats the harm? The only problem with Porn is that you maybe get a little bit disappointed when your girlfriend doesn’t want to watch you with another girl, or not every woman wants to please all the time!!! Thats the only problem I can see!!

Have you ever looked at Europe? They are far more relaxed sexually than Americans and they seem to have far fewer problems in the way of sex related crimes.

That’s what we get I guess for being settled by a bunch of Puritans.

I enjoy porn. I get real pissed when some small group manages to get strip clubs and porn stores closed down because of ‘morality’ reasons. I have no problem with closing down such clubs which are connected with organized crime – and there have been several in my area.

I am a supporter of legalized prostitution.

I recall how when I was real young and the sexual curiosity hit how big a problem it was to locate anything really sexual to see and it was frustrating. I got lucky, finding that my parents enjoyed porn and had some 8 mm films hidden away in a secret place that I discovered and when they would take off for a few hours, I’d have the projector up and running.

However, if kids are going to have sexually related materials available to them, I think they need to be coached in what is right and what is wrong. A kid, all steamed up with powerful hormones, might manage to talk some little girl a year or two younger than him, into doing what he saw. THAT might cause some problems.

Kids get forceful, so it might become a form of rape. Plus, there are rape films out there and S&M and bondage and I figure a kid needs to be aware of normal sex before viewing such things.

In Japan the age of consent is 14.
In Sweden the porn industry is accepted and many kids paying for college find it acceptable to get a brief job in it, develop some cash and get on with their lives.
In France, sex is looked on as natural and a part of the life experience.

Here in the States we have this ‘Puritan’ opinion of it that essentially boils down to the feeling that sex is nasty, dirty, immoral and should be done at night, under the covers, with the lights out and the doors locked. The age of consent is 18. (A boy or girl, at 16, can leave school and be considered an adult in many ways BUT if someone, like 22 has sex with them, even with consent, it is A: considered child molestation and B: considered statutory rape.)

With the current confusing laws and such concerning sex within a certain age group, even kids who experiment as kids will can be arrested for ‘molestation’ or ‘inappropriate behavior’ (which is actually appropriate for their age). Once puberty hits, boys and girls dance to the urges of their hormones, which will remain intensely powerful until they reach something like 22, then they will drop some. Now they have to not only contend with the confusing time of puberty, plus the raging hormones, the physical changes in their bodies, BUT have to be afraid of being arrested if they attempt to experience consensual sex or any form of sex play.

Porn sells. If people did not want it, it would not be there. Strip clubs make money. If they did not, then they would close down and strip clubs can be controlled so they don’t deteriorate into ‘biker bars’ where everything goes from drugs to whores.

It prostitution was not wanted, there would be no prostitutes. Certain woman’s groups have flatly stated that prostitution is wide spread because of MEN but in areas where there are male prostitutes available for women, the practice thrives also.

(I know several women who used escort services and NOT just to go to dinner. Plus I know several more who went to male strip shows and spent some interesting time with a male dancer afterwards. So what?)

Personally, I like sex. I’m heterosexual and I adore the fine curves and appearance of the female form as well as the emotional, physical and hormonal sensations of the act of sex. I’ve met many a woman where we did not get along well enough to be a couple BUT we enjoyed each other in bed. So what? It was fun for both of us.

I like porn and I know women who enjoy it also. Sometimes a partner and I have gotten interesting ideas from watching porn and had fun trying them out.

Within certain limits, like no ‘snuff’ films – staged or not – I like porn.

Sentinel said:

Now wait a minute. Why no staged “snuff” films? The right to free speech ends at the stuff Sentinel likes? What about those who might like to watch staged “snuff” films?

I don’t think he was saying that fake snuff films should be banned, just that he doesn’t enjoy them.

And what is a fake snuff film anyway? An action/adventure/mystery movie?

tdn, a snuff film allegedly is a film that shows a murder committed for the sole purpose of filming. I say allegedly because I know of no confirmed instance of a real snuff film.

As for the OP:

About what I think of the morality of photography, music, painting, dancing, or competetive sports. It’s too large a category to make a snap judgement about. Some porn is beautiful. Some porn is artistic. Some porn is arousing. Good porn should be all three. Some porn is ugly. Some porn is violent. Some porn is frightening. Some porn is boring as hell. Some porn is just downright silly.

I think the ease of access is completely the responsibility of the child’s parent. I am not interested in sacrificing my civil rights so that Johnny’s mom and dad can sit on their lazy ass and let the rest of us babysit him. Freedom of Speech is guaranteed by the Constitution. Freedom from having to filter what your child sees and hears is not.

I don’t really give it much thought, actually. There is a flavor of porn that is very pro-women, pro-men, pro-healthy sex. I like that stuff a lot. There is other porn out there that isn’t. I don’t like that stuff, so I don’t buy it, and I don’t involve myself with people who are into it.

Absolutely not.

Well, this question and the previous pretty much tell us where you are on the subject (or that you’re doing a bit of trolling).

First, I don’t think sex workers are glorified at all. I think that they’re reviled, persecuted, and shunned by our uptight, Puritanical society.

Second, I don’t find the profession any more lewd than that of garbage collectors, priests, or dentists. These people provide a service that is in demand, and they get paid for it. They hopefully do so in an ethical and healthy manner.

Third, I’ve never noticed anyone looking at a stripper in a way that didn’t have something to do with his/her occupational goals. The common opinions of Hef and Larry Flynt don’t make the news, really. After all, no one interviews Larry to get his opinion on the Balkan wars, do they? However, when the topics of adult sexuality, pornography, freedom of speech, and religious intolerance come up, their opinions are very much germane to the subject matter and should be heard.

Just a suggestion, but next time, could you either come out and state your own opinion or frame your questions in a less prejudicial way.

To address your hopes:

Pornography as a whole is one facet of the infinitely complex ways people address their sexuality. I find it to be more honest and brave than endless maundering of mainstream publications on sex, romance, and consensual relationships. Some of it appeals to me. Some of it doesn’t. Some of it makes me wish I had a guy nearby to drag into a closet for a quick ten minutes.

Pornography should stay within the realm of adults. The safeguards that prevent children from seeing or reading pornography before they are ready are their parents and no one else.

Great the debate is on…

The question is really about limits, should it have some kind of limits? Should we be looking at 14 year olds naked, should people be staging snuff, where does it stop?

I personally beleive porn is just fine. Within some kind of moral limits.

As a kid I had access to porn pretty easily and I don’t think it hurt me a bit. However this wasn’t the hardcore ‘I can see her kidneys from here’ porn. It was Playboy. I don’t think I’ve EVER seen a spread shot there. Most of it is quite tasteful.

However I think perhaps the more. . . for lack of a better word ‘interesting’ porn should be buried a little more than it is. Like bondage, the scat, snuff, watersports, the stuff that most teenagers aren’t going to get into. I don’t know how this should be done, ideas? Just that if someone is REALLY interested in finding some of the more exotic porn they will.

Don’t take this the wrong way, porn is some good stuff, I wouldn’t even mind if my teenager was looking at it, but I would be a little shocked if they were in the deeper dungeons of bondage.
I don’t know if children should be ‘coached’ persay, but raised with a proper moral upbringing to decide for themselves what is write and wrong. I don’t think that we should provide porno for our kids either. If they find a secret stash fine, but I don’t want to go out and get my kid hustler.
I disagree about the prostitution however. I do not think its safe, I also think that the people who do it generally need help, and fucking their brains out isn’t going to help them. Personally, I don’t think you should be able to get sex if you can’t talk someone of the opposite sex into it. Sort of breaks down the moral fiber of our society if money solves everything.

“I can’t be a nice enough guy to get laid, I’ll just pay her.”

Just my thoughts…

It is my opinion that neither pornography nor prostitution ought to be banned. No coherent defense of banning either of these commerces can be put together that wouldn’t ban a great deal of other activities to which nobody objects.

Yes, I know what a snuff film is. But what is a <b>fake</b> snuff film? A film where someone pretends to get killed? We see those all the time. Even on TV. Ever watch Law and Order?

Or are you talking about a fake that tries to pass itself off as the real McCoy? That’s a different story. I think it’s only slightly less immoral than a real one. And while we may argue the legality and morality of on-screen penetration, there’s not much arguement about murder. That puts snuff films onto different moral terrain.

Have there ever been any? Over at snopes, the party line is no. However, one poster posted a link to something that might be genuine. We’re currently trying to debunk its authenticity. I’d give you the link, but 1) the site is down, and 2) trust me, you really don’t want to see it. It is possibly the most reviling thing I have ever seen in my life.

All I know is, as a former porn addict for most of my life, I’m incredibly tired of the stuff and consider it a poor substitute for real love/relationships/whatever. It’s such a shiny counterfeit, though, that it attracts you at first and lures you in.

I’m through with it. I’m going for the real thing. :smiley:

We’ve discussed this before: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=22330

Unfortunately, the posts are now out of order because of the new software. :grumble: :bitch:

Oh, and the Search Engine works, but slowly. It took five minutes to find that thread. I had it search for “Is Pornography Evil?” in Great Debates. I think it should’ve been faster, but what do I know? :shrug:

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The question is really about limits, should it have some kind of limits? Should we be looking at 14 year olds naked, should people be staging snuff, where does it stop?[/QUOTE]

I think those limits are fairly well established. Sex with minors is illegal. Don’t know the legal issues about staged snuff. Someone else may know the answer.

…again who’s moral limits? Your’s? Mine? The neighbours’?

Do you think the hardcore stuff would have hurt at the time?

I don’t think minors can get porn as easily as has been implied. If it’s around the house and available to them then it’s all fair game. But porn is like a gun in the house… if you don’t want your kid getting at it before he/she understands the implications/purpose of it then the proper precautions should be taken that he/she doesn’t.

Seems that what you are saying is, it’s okay if your kid likes the kind of porn you like but not okay if he get’s into something you don’t classify as …ummmm… tasteful porn.

“Coached” as per what? The correct use of porn?
I don’t think that parents ought to provide porn for their kids either. A loving, nurturing and safe home environment - yes. Porn - no.
I think if social services discover that you are providing porn to minors (even your own kids) you may suddenly have a real problem on your hands.

I think legalized prostitution is something quite different than porn. Perhaps it warrants another debate topic.

Money solves a hell of a lot in our society. Paying for sex is neither the most nor the least questionable of those things. Besides, how is an agreement between two, or more, consenting adults to exchange sex for money adversely affecting the moral fiber of an unrelated individual or group of individuals?

As was pointed out earlier by Sentinel, it’s not illegal for an adult to have sex with a 14-year-old in Japan. And the age limit may be even lower in Thailand, though I could be wrong.

Question: If sex with 14-year-olds is illegal here, should it be illegal everywhere? If it’s legal there, should it be legal here?

Question for the whole group: If pornography was made illegal, would we make an exception for sex instruction manuals? If so, why? Did you know that in ancient China, illustrated sex manuals were commonly given as wedding presents?