"Thriller" Re-examined

So, I just recently bought Michael Jackson’s Thriller for the first time (there was no need to own it when it came out, because it was unavoidable as premature ejaculation). I didn’t see what the big deal was at the time, and I still don’t. It’s not horrible, but it’s nowhere near as good as the hype/sales would lead one to believe. In fact, I think this was the album that all but destroyed destroyed R&B/Soul for the past few decades. Though things were already leaning that way, this is the album that made production and slickness of sound (not to mention marketing) more important than the actual music. Prince’s Dirty Mind, another example of “black pop” from two years previous, had a lot of the same faults, but overcame them through the strengths of the songs. I was also struck by how little attention I paid to Michael’s singing, which seems almost a secondary consideration when reviewing the album (which was never the case when he was in the Jackson 5, or on his earlier solo work). In fact, whenever he goes into one of his "Ee-he-he"s, it doesn’t convey an emotion so much as it does the fact that he’s developed a vocal gimmick for instant recognition - in other words, he’s more into branding than singing. Prescient, maybe, but not in a good way. My brief thoughts on the tracks from notes scribbled at work:

“Wanna Be Starting Something” - Best song on the album, IMHO. Pretty much kicks ass on the dancefloor, and even has some noticeably good vocals in spots. Plus, it has one of the flat-out weirdest refrains ever heard in a #1 single (“You’re a vegetable/Still they hate you/You’re a vegetable”). Still holds up.

“Baby Be Mine” - A decent bassline that takes the song exactly nowhere, with the requisite synthesized horn parts and studio gloss. There’s a reason this one wasn’t released as a single.

“The Girl Is Mine” - What do you get when you cross Michael Jackson with Paul McCartney? Lionel Richie. Cute use of “doggone”; otherwise, as soggy and elevator-musicky as the worst in either artist’s catalog.

“Thriller” - I’m just guessing, but this seems to be the only song in history ever written specifically to be made into a video. Because without the video, there’s not much to recommend it, even with Vincent Price’s too-old-school-and-corny-even-at-the-time monologue. Middle of the road pop like you could hear anywhere back then (though, again, sung better in this case than most other MOR pop).

“Beat It” - Dumb-ass lyrics - this guy had about as much contact with the real world as rival Prince, and both their lyrics proved it - and Eddie van Halen’s guitar (no stranger to dumb lyrics itself) add up to mid-tempo not bad/not great instant hit.

“Billie Jean” - A good song, but not a great one. Iconic video, I guess. Don’t really understand the praise - maybe for the adult-themed lyrics, always a rarity with this child star turned child molester. Solid, but unspectacular. Nice groove, though.

“Human Nature” - A better ballad than the McCartney duet (and the later “Man In The Mirror”, with which this shares a dipshit quotient, though on a smaller scale), but the lyrics still suck. Good for a change of pace on a mix CD, but not essential.

“P.Y.T.” - Again, not a bad song, and more of an Off The Wall vibe than the rest of the album, but worthy of “Bestselling album ever” status? I’d just as soon listen to Earth, Wind & Fire.

“The Lady In My Life” - The other non-single, and total filler. In fact, so obviously filler I’m surprised Quincey Jones let it past the quality control inspection. But I guess nobody cares when you’ve got 7 other top 10 singles on the thing.

Gotta run to lunch. Thoughts? Arguments?

There is really no point to Thriller without MTV. You had to be there.

Amen.

Those really are the lyrics? Huh. That’s what I had always thought he said, but never actually checked because I just didn’t want to know what the actual lyrics were. That’s awesome.

ETA: Shoot. Except for the “Still they hate you” part that is. I always though that was “I’ll eat 'chu”.

**wbb **- I have to agree in terms of Thriller not really aging well. And your reference to Prince’s Dirty Mind could not be more revealing - talk about a CD that has aged well (while still sounding hardcore synthy 80’s). As I have stated in countless threads, Prince is the man - and the songs on that CD are rock-solid wonderful. Well, I don’t know that Head and Sister are all that great, but the rest…

Can post more right now, but I think you’re onto something…

I think both the albulm and Jackson are vastly overrated. The video, however, is excellent. That and the fact that we really weren’t spoiled for choice in either cable or music videos in general meant that it got a disproportionate amount of airplay. Jackson is or was a mediocre popstrel who knew how to market.

As far as I’m concerned, Jackson’s songs are just there as a backdrop to his dancing, which I never get tired of watching.

The girl in the Thriller vid was smoking hot. I wonder what became of her.

Now that I think of it, he had a few smokin’ hot women in his vids.

I just had Human Nature cranked up in the studio over the weekend trying to play along on bass. I love that song. I don’t even know the words. I just love the sound and texture of it. I haven’t really paid much attention to rest of the album except for watching the vids in the pizza hut at the student center when I was in college.

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Bad is a much better album, IMHO.

Huh. This is actually one of my favorites on the album, along with “Human Nature” and “Wanna Be Starting Something”. To my untrained ears it has more of a classic R &B feel to it, at least moreso than the rest of the album.

I think Nile Rodgers made this point on one of VH1’s innumerable talking head shows, but Billie Jean is composed entirely of hooks. It’s got arguably the best bass line ever next to perhaps Another One Bites the Dust, and literally every lyric is a hook unto itself. Most other pop songs would do well to have one of its hooks, and possessing two hooks of this quality practically assures one a top ten hit.

I have to disagree with the consensus in this thread.

Billie Jean is a masterpiece, and one of the most experimental songs to hit #1. The whole album is not so filled with synth sounds as the later Jackson albums, and thus actually sounds more modern. Beat It may have lame lyrics, whatever, it has a great hook. Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’ is as you say also a great and energetic song. I challenge you to find another album with 3 songs that are equally catchy. I kind of agree about the rest of the album though. Except Baby Be Mine being the most soggy in the the McCartney catalogue. There is some stiff competition there.

Sorry; I was glib in my terse dismissal. Quincy Jones is a brilliant producer and crafted a piece of R&B/Pop/Dance perfection. Michael Jackson is (was) a prodigious talent as a songwriter, singer, dancer and entertainer. Billie Jean is a hook-laden monster of a pop song. Beat it is a great song with an innovative use of a hard-rock guest guitarist (Steve Lukather played all the guitar parts except Eddie Van Halen’s lead, and Luke is no slouch either…)

But Thriller is NOT, say, Off the Wall - IMHO a much better collection of songs end to end. Thriller truly benefitted, as other posters have said, from its context - both coming after the millions-selling Off the Wall AND coupled with MJ’s explosive dance performance on the Motown 25 special coupled with ground-breaking videos at a time when video was everything.

And again, compared to Dirty Mind, Thriller comes across as a big action blockbuster that was exciting at the time but doesn’t hold up quite as well years later - the new blockbusters coming up behind it make it look aged, and the “bones” of the movie don’t transcend the genre (which is why Die Hard is so great and the Last Boy Scout is not - Die Hard has good “bones” - great villain, nice set up, etc.). Whereas Dirty Mind is more like a quirky indie movie that ended up influential (like sex, lies and videotape)…

My $.02

Yeah - not only did Off the Wall spawn four major Top Ten hits, it has aged remarkably better than Thriller has. You can throw it on at parties today and the songs sound pretty fresh.

The music for Human Nature was written by Steve Porcaro of Toto, arguably one of the best groups of songwriters to come out of the 80s. The talent contained in Toto is ridiculous, and they never get enough credit.

As to the rest of the album - This hit when I was a the perfect time in my life to appreciate pop music. My least favorites were the singles (and I was just listening to the song Thriller on the radio, and thinking it was kinda lame), but I love me some PYT.

And here’s some props for the Jackson/McCartney duets - The Girl is Mine is a fun, poppy kind of song, but Say Say Say off of McCartney’s Pipes of Peace is a fabulous song, with great lyrics and a definite groove.

I don’t know the whole album that well, but at least on Human Nature, it’s one of those tracks that uses a ton of synths but it’s very tasty and not in your face. There’s of course Steve Lukather’s great understated guitar part but besides that the bass is a synth patch, and various other synth patches are deployed throughout the song notably in the opening hook. Jeff Porcaro is credited with the drum track but I thought it sounded like a drum machine with the same pattern looping. Anyway, it (Human Nature at least) is filled with synths but it’s just very discreet.

I thought this would be a thread about the horror/suspense anthology TV show hosted by Boris Karloff in the early sixties. So I’ll just move along.

This one always struck me as a Hope/Crosby duet like “Gone Fishin’” transposed about four decades and a few eras’ worth of musical and social change. It’s bi-racial, but it’s still bland musically and lyrically, and it’s pitched at an audience that no longer existed even then: MOR was edgier and faster by that point.