Tiger woods in very serious car crash

I don’t think they can do that. He wasn’t caught in the act of speeding…I don’t think you can retroactively cite someone based on black box data. In any case, accidents where no other cars are involved very rarely result in citations regardless of the presumed cause. You could give him a ticket for improper lane use, but that’s not the intent of the law.

Them not citing him is not evidence of anything in this case.

What you say makes sense.

Strikes me as odd, tho, that a crash involving considerable damage/injury would not count against your driving record (as opposed to insurance) even as much as speeding or blowing a stop sign. Especially if your driving negligence caused the government to incur considerable costs.

(Not targeting Tiger. Along the lines of the debate over charging folk who get lost in the wilderness for costs associated with their rescue.)

I suspect that it has to do with proving what led to it. It’s like, you can drive as recklessly as you want with no consequence until you get caught in the act by law enforcement.

Or put another way, imagine someone is on trial for murder. The murder victim was killed at 11:05 PM, and witnesses saw you leaving a party at 10:45 PM. You have a receipt for a fast food place at 11:10 PM in another town, so you have a credible alibi, but also there is no way you got from the party to that fast food place without breaking speed laws even if you got lucky with traffic lights. The court isn’t going to acquit you of murder but slap a speeding ticket on you or otherwise dock your driving record.

(That would be pretty funny if they did though.)

That makes sense. But it is not unheard of for cops to come to the scene of a car accident and give one driver a ticket. Of course, that is hearsay. But the cited individual has to either pay or contest.

Heck, if nothing else, he could be charged w/ littering! :smiley:

These citations are intended to prevent accidents. Once the accident has already happened it’d be purely punitive. I don’t think we want to live in a world where people are being given speeding tickets and court dates in their hospital beds. For as much as police/prosecutor discretion is a cause of a lot of harm and ill will, this is a situation where I think most agree it’s preferred.

Agreed. In the military we had the concept of “self-critiquing behavior”. Which was mil-speak for “Some people just have to touch the stove before they’ll believe it’s hot.”

There are lots of ways to hurt yourself doing military stuff. So most of the more minor hazards were explained just once then instructors or leaders let nature take its course. Rather than being proactive at managing and punishing those injuries. That left enough bandwidth to manage and, if necessary, punish the real threats to life and limb.

Wrecking your car, losing the ability to walk without pain, and being held up to widespread public ridicule seems self-critiquing enough. A $300 ticket would be spitting into that particular hurricane.

I’m not sure I agree. Unless you were using the royal “we”! :wink:

Well, there might be a societal benefit if it impacts an individual’s ability to drive. Combined w/ the prior substance/driving issues, should a negligent crash warrant pulling his license?

But I don’t feel all that strongly about this.

Today is Wednesday…

Curious. I wonder why they previously said they WOULDN’T release it, and why they changed their minds?

From the get go they said thy needed to check with the involved parties. They never said they wouldn’t ever do it. Presumably the lawyers gave them the go-ahead.

So it turns out he was traveling 84 to 87 mph. Taking the average of 85.5 mph (40 mph over the speed limit) that means the car would have an expected stopping distance of 449 feet.

https://www.random-science-tools.com/physics/stopping-distance.htm

So that piece of garbage didn’t care what risk he was to other cars or pedestrians on the road and I am glad he is suffering as a consequence!

Just saw a blurb on Wapo saying he was driving 85 in a 45. Reckless endangerment… lucky no one innocent was hurt or killed.

The guy’s a menace. With these facts it’s time to pull his driver’s license. And maybe ensure he enrolls in anger management or substance abuse management as the case might be.

It’s a shame these sanctions, that would really hurt a poor person with the same behavioral problems are but minor momentary irritants to anybody wealthy. Maybe he’ll have finally toxified his brand enough that his revenue suffers accordingly.

Ah, there’s the lynch mob!

It wouldn’t matter if the guy was some anonymous schlub like you or I. 85 in a 45 kills somebody around here pretty regularly. That needs to be stopped.

Around here, anyone doing 85 mph in a 45 zone would be charged under the provisions of the stunt driving law, which would include vehicle impoundment, automatic license suspension, and a $10,000 fine, and might face additional charges of dangerous driving. This dangerous idiot could easily have killed any number of people. I don’t care if he knows how to hit a golf ball; he should at least be charged with whatever the equivalent of dangerous or reckless driving is in California and have his license suspended.

I agree. However, there have been posters here at the SDMB that imply that they regularly drive over 80 in California, and that everyone else does too. I don’t recall the thread where that came up, but it was in response to me saying I never drive more than 5 mph over the limit.

In a 45 zone?

Most urban expressways max out at 45 in the heart of downtown. People driving at 85 afterhours is not at all uncommon. Frankly it doesn’t even seem that dangerous.

This was a 4 lane highway, not an expressway, so it’s not a fair analogy but I’m sure cops see people driving that fast all the time. It’s not some great outlier.

It’s fast, but not out of line what I was told to expect in California. (where apparently speed limits are routinely ignored)

Anyone who drives 85 in a 65 zone shouldn’t be too outraged by this behavior. It’s just slightly worse than “average” violators.

On the other hand, in my opinion, Tiger’s speed is practically per se reckless driving