Tim Raines Sr was traded to the Orioles, and will play with his son. But isn’t the trade deadline in July? How can he be traded now?
The trading deadline for all professional leagues is for playoff roster purposes. This is done to prevent a situation like San Francisco, if it winds up out of the playoffs, trading Barry Bonds to Arizona at the end of the season for the Razorbacks’ playoff run. See the potential problem? Otherwise, trades can be made between teams involving non-playoff personnel at anytime.
Razorbacks? I assume you meant Diamondbacks.
There’s a good question now–how many father/son duos have played for the same team at the same time? The Griffeys come to mind, and now the Rainses, but I can’t think of any others. There must be other examples, no?
You can trade players anytime during the season if you use waivers. The catch with that is that if you put a player on waivers another team could grab the player and only have to pay a relatively small transaction fee.
In the case of Raines the Elder, no other team would have bothered to take him and any GM that would have claimed Raines would have been sent to PR Hell.
Teams can’t make any trades or ask for waivers from the end of the regular season until the end of the World Series. The day after the World Series, it’s time to clean house.
The Raineses and the Griffeys are the only father/son combos to play on the seam team at the same time.
The July trading ‘deadline’ is only the last day on which trades can be made without putting a player through what are called waivers. After that date, a player who is to be traded must be offered to other teams in reverse order of their current standings before a trade can be made. So Raines (Senior) would have to be offered to all National League teams, beginning with Pittsburgh and ending with St. Louis and Houston, and then to all the American League teams that are worse than Baltimore (not too many). If any decided that they wanted him, they’d put in a claim and the Expos would be free to work out a deal, or not. If not, then they have to pull him back from waivers and can’t trade him.
Obviously, everybody passed. Which sometimes happens…the Cardinals traded Ray Lankford for Woody Williams earlier this summer, after the ‘deadline.’ Good trade for St. Louis!
Griffeys and Raineses are the only ones, nineiron.
Not the same, but Bob Boone manages his son Aaron at Cincinnati. I think Marc Sullivan was on Boston’s roster when Haywood Sullivan was GM too. And Earle Mack played, sparingly, for father Connie in the teens. I bet there are others.
Yeah, Cal Ripken (and his brother Billy, I believe) played under his father Cal, Senior, but I was wondering about players who were father and son at the same time. It’s got to be rare, since you need to have a very old and durable player who happened to have a son at a relatively early age, and that son needs to be somewhat of a prodigy to get to the majors before dad retires. Other than the Rainses and Griffeys, anyone know any others?
As snac said, only the Griffeys and now the Raines have had father and son playing on the same team.
Only the Raineses and Griffeys have played together. Griffey Sr. could still hit, and wound up doing the job as the M’s DH. Rock has no excuse other than PR.
The Expos used to have a backup outfielder named Razor Shines, so the team could have left field covered, come Raines or come Shines. That ranks with the one-time Reds outfield of Young, Frank, and Stynes, IMHO.
Players who have been managed by their fathers in the bigs also include:
Moises Alou by Felipe with the soon-to-be-extinct Expos
Dale Berra by Yogi with the Yanks
Bump Wills (Rangers) played against his father Maury’s team (Mariners)
All other examples given are correct. I’m pretty sure the Boones are the only 3-generation family of major leaguers, btw.
Let me just say this: Tim RAINES is still playing baseball?
I’m 34 years old, and when were playing b-ball on the ol’ sandlot when we were kids (around 1981 maybe) , one of our speedy friends would get on first and call himself Tim Raines.
Wow.
Not exactly “Major League,” but I recall a story in Sports Illustrated a couple of years back about a father (who had gone back to school after many years) being on the same college basketball team as his son. That must be pretty cool, to play on a real team with your dad (or your son, as the case may be). The Griffeys once hit back-to-back homers together, if I recall correctly.
Uh, I played on a softball team with my dad, does that count? I somehow don’t think so.
The Boones were the first but there are others now: the Bells (Gus, Buddy, David) and the Hairstons (Sam, Jerry Sr., Jerry Jr.). One of the Bells has a brother, Mike, who played for the Reds.
Sadly for the Orioles, Tim Raines Sr. actually could be good enough to stick with the team. He’s hitting alright this year, and couldn’t be much worse than Brady Anderson has been this past year.
Just for the record, I am a lifelong and diehard Orioles fan, and I think that this years team was better to watch than any of the past three or four years.
There has also been at least one instance with three brothers on the same team: Felipe, Jesus, and Matty Alou all played OF for the Giants in '63. I wasn’t around then but I bet all three were on the field simultaneously at least once.
ahhh… fellow O’s fans. I’m not the only one that has each score update wired to my cell phone… right?
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I would beg to differ with ElvisL1ves contention that Tim Raines the Elder was washed up in comparison to Ken Griffey the Elder.
Raines was coming back this year from nearly two years off after he retired partway through the 1999 season because of complications of lupus. This year he was hampered by a shoulder injury, but in 47 games with the Expos he has batted .308 with an OBP of. 436
Griffey the Elder joined Seattle in 1990 after playing 46 games for the Reds. In those games, Griffey batted .206 with an OBP of .242. He did hit well once he joined Seattle, batting .377 in 21 games. He played 30 games for Seattle the next season before he retired.
Both acquisitions were made primarily for PR. It’s doubtful that the Mariner squads of 1990 and 1991 were going to go anywhere just because Ken Griffey Jr’s pop was playing with him.
BobT, thanks for the Raines update. I didn’t realize he was doing so well - I thought his entire comeback attempt was a father-son thang and a PR stunt. Sure, Ken Senior would not have been given the M’s job otherwise, but he did produce once he got there.
Jeff Olsen, yes, los hermanos Alou did play together in the Giants outfield once.
Sigh … I know I’m getting old. I remember Ken SENIOR’s debut game with the Reds.