Gee, Piper…errr…Seethruart, looks like no one agrees with you in any forum you seem to join.
Point the first: As has been pointed out, this is a lie. You, sir, are a hypocrite of the first order. Remember, kids, payest not attention to the liar who accuses others of lying.
Point the second: Why should we? Your site is about as accurate as a cross-eyed Asshole gunner on Spaceball I. Here’s a thought: If you really are honest, and really are more than a charlatan (and a bad one, t’boot), start with addressing the rebuttals to your site.
In other words: “I know I’m wrong, but I can’t accept it, so I’ll just act like a martyr.” Sorry, bub, you’re not the first fake to come strolling through our doors… get another act.
Please describe in detail how everyone who posted to this thread has a “closed mind”. You, sir, are the one with isolated mental facilities… as I said, you can prove otherwise by providing rebuttal to the criticisms of your work, and addressing the questions that have been asked of you.
How do you know we haven’t questioned NASA about it? We know the facts. Your evidence is paltry, at best. Apparently, you have a screw loose.
How do you know? That’s right. You DON’T. You’re simply assuming.
Afraid of the “truth”? Why? Why should we, who have absolutely nothing to lose if your theory is accurate, be afraid that your crackpot ideas have any shred of accuracy?
We simply don’t accept such bizarre claims without tangible evidence. Your cheap, shoddy website and half-assed, poor-quality images with amateurish improvement of the images do NOT qualify as “tangible evidence”. Actually, it looks like the work of a bored 12-year-old.
No, your sole purpose for posting a link was to get more hits for your sad attempt at “proof”. Sorry, you Mulder wannabe, the truth may be out there, but it sure doesn’t lie with you.
Big deal. I’ve shown goat sex to many honest people across the net.
So what you’re saying is this: We should accept everything you say, without question, and yet you demand that we ignore everything NASA says? Why are YOU more credible than NASA? What are YOUR credentials? What alterior motive do YOU have?
We also have nothing to fear from it being faked. Do you have any reason to think otherwise?
Sure you think that, 'cuz you’re wrong.
So, to sum up, Mr. Art, you have to answer the following questions:
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What are you trying to prove, and why?
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How does your “evidence” show this?
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Why are you more credible than NASA? Why should we take your word for all this?
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Why would we “fear” your supposed “truth”?
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How come you seem to be the only person who sees this “evidence” of yours?
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Why do you have a “shuttle” fetish?
Until you can answer those questions satisfactorily, you have no credibility, and therefore will be labeled a fraud. And Ignorant.
Obviously, the alien mind control beams have already gotten to SPOOFE. No sane human would ever question the amazing works of a bored individual in possession of Photoshop.
I tried looking at the images while wearing my tinfoil helmet, they still just look like rocks, what am I doing wrong?
Did you turn your monitor sideways and squint very hard while stretching pantyhose across your face? I did, and I swear I saw Liberace in the rocks.
Yeah, tried that too; it must be the drugs (I wasn’t taking any)
I tried this, and saw something completely different.
Oh, you mean I was supposed to take my wife out of the pantyhose first?
Well, I signed the guestbook, I wonder how long before my comments are deleted.
The conspiracy theories are self fulling.
If you hand drooling morons a photo, they drool on it.
Then they look down, see the drool, and come to the conclusion that the drool is a foreign object in the photo.
This sets them drooling even more and shaking their heads with excitement, spraying more and more drool over more and more photos, creating more and more proof of foreign objects.
So in the rover photos … oops the “round structure” photos, we have an alien eye, obviously of a very large alien buried up to its eyeballs - it has to be large in comparison the round structure. But in other photos we have [sub]leeeeettle teeeeny shuttles[/sub] - so how do the really big aliens fit into those tiny space ships?
And since every thinking person knows the Apollo missions and photos are fakes, the big aliens in tiny ships came to the secret NASA sound stage at Groom Lake.
Hey, Seethruart, I checked out the pictures on your website. I couldn’t discern the things I think I was supposed to. Did I go to the wrong place?
I’ve just signed it too, eleven hours after Mangetout did. With one other entry in between, three of the book’s five entries think Seethruart is full of it. Let’s see how long they last. The other two entries are comprised of one praising Seethruart’s work, closely followed by a note of thanks by Seethruart himself. Those two entries are two months old. Other than that, the book is empty. 
Well, I checked out those entries on Seethruart’s guestbook this morning and they were still there.
A check just a few moments ago revealed that the guestbook has now been changed to “private” status. Entries are no longer visible.
And where is Seethruart anyway? He hasn’t posted here in a while, even in threads beyond this one.
Personally, I have the feeling that he was just a drive-by.
Chas.E said:
Great page. Too bad the author doesn’t have contact info. I’d email him the following.
From his page:
Checking The Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, I have identified the object in question. It is the lunar rake.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/tools/Welcome.html
The rake is one of the tools stowed on the aft pallet. Pretty simple to identify if you know where to look.
Atreyu said:
Only problem is SeeThruArt (aka Piper) has already been there and been thoroughly debunked himself there as well. Of course that board has a high turnover rate of posts (no archiving), and he keeps showing back up reposting the same drivel periodically, refusing to address criticisms there except in the same manner here - i.e. saying that anyone that disagrees with him or challenges him is an idiot that refuses to see the truth blah blah blah. Broken record time.
Mangetout said:
super_head said:
Funny, but not as funny as the actual self-identified method for viewing. SeeThruArt takes jpeg compressed images from various websites (now mostly using the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, since we pointed it out to him) and then studies them on his monitor with a magnifying glass. Followed by magnifying said jpeg compressed images with Photoshop as if that will fill in the missing detail.
In case you didn’t figure it out from his postings, SeeThruArt claims that the moon landings are a hoax, and his proof is that the pictures are all fakes. See according to him, NASA used high altitude pictures (probably from robotic probes) as background terrain and overlayed pictures from studio pictures. That way the moon terrain is actual moon terrain, but from really high up. Then any boxy or otherwise “peculiar” shapes in the jpegs are really artifacts of extraterrestrials on the moon that somehow NASA missed before making the “fake” pictures. Either that, or they are very tiny moon aliens. Or something.
Despite having had described how jpeg compressions work, and how picture resolution is limited by the original scan resolution, and how Photoshop cannot create more detail than the jpeg has, he still continues to post the same tired drivel. And then ignore any serious rebuttals and instead say everyone is just a NASA/government puppet too stupid to see the truth.
jab1 asked:
Chas. E. is pretty much right on the money. They set the cameras on infinity focus, and took wide angle pictures. All they had to do was point the camera in the right direction, which they had practiced with training rigs on the ground.
I was pretty sure that’s how they used the cameras; I just wanted confirmation.
I notice that Mr. Art has set his Guestbook to be private… not to be seen by the “public”.
Seems like HE’S the one that’s afraid of being wrong…
Hahahaha! Private guestbook, since yesterday morning.
So, Seethru, who is suppressing the truth? You or NASA?
I didn’t realise that the original images seethru was looking at started as JPGs, that explains a whole lot; Jpegs are a ‘lossy’ format, the uncompressed image looks acceptably similar to the original (for web pages etc), but lacks some (or much, depending on the compression ratio) of the detail of the original, furthermore, blocky ‘artifacts’ in the uncompressed image are not at all uncommon.
I would like to appologize for Seethruart aka Piper. He originally was on the Bad Astronomy BBS. (www.badastronomy.com) He is an individual who is quite set in his ways and will not shift them short of a thermonuclear blast. (Maybe not even then.)
He holds these convictions with a religious fervor not seen since Heaven’s Gate and the Branch Davidians.
To give you all a little insight into his rationale (or lack thereof) I will include a quote from a post he made on the Bad Astronomy BBS.
Emphasis mine.
Again, I appologize for the little lunatic coming over here and bothering people. We hoped he wouldn’t infect other places. We’ve been debunking his rants for quite some time.
I was going to make up a little rant on how seethruart should not post so much to a board that is obviously monitored by the illuminati/CIA/pentagel; so he should not post this stuff, because the black helicopters will be at his house at any time now, etc. etc-
He’s a troll.
It’s obvious.
Let’s let this thread die, and not answer any others he posts.
Insert witty insult to thread founder here.