Tiny anomalies/artifacts found on the ground in Apollo photos

It’s nice to see you folks keeping this thread towards the top. I appreciate that. I want as many people to see it as possible.

About my guestbook, why is there a problem with it being private? Are you afraid that people won’t see it your way on their own? Are you afraid they may see exactly what I point out, if you don’t tell them how to think first? Or do you just like reading what you write? I sure don’t. I’ve heard enough bogus debunker rantings to last me a lifetime.

The photos require study. I had to put these photos in people’s faces for months until some finally realized I was serious, and studied the images. NASA didn’t make this fake easy to see. That would have defeated the purpose.

With all of you people trying to assassinate the character of anyone who has evidence of the faked Apollo missions, a person has to be very persistant to get the truth out. As you see, I am very persistant.

I’ll keep you all informed of updates to the site.

Thank you!

Seethruart

these photographs have sure taught me a lot. they’ve taught me that neil armstrong was one shitty photographer!

Seethruart-

Honest question here.

What would it take for you to really say, “Hey. Maybe I AM wrong about this.”

What would that holy grail be… that “Proof” to put all of your “findings” that question the photos to rest.

There has to be something short of going there yourself.

What is it?

Have you all not figured this out yet? Seethruart, aka Piper, is just a troll. He either has avery tenuous grasp on reality (although a firm one on his keyboard, more’s the pity) or is a troll, just posting to make people angry. He has made a pretty good mess of my own BB, because people insist on baiting him. He only posts more, and makes less sense each time. Ignoring him is difficult, but perhaps necessary.

Wheras the photos you have taken whilst wearing a bulky spacesuit are the pinnacle of perfection? :wink:

Of course, were SeeThruart * really* interested in the truth, he would have had a plublic debate on his site.

As it is, it is a bunch of ramblings with no real evidence, other than the claim that the photos somehow prove alien artefacts are on the moon.

That having been said, I am now off to meet with the rest of Majestic-12, this fool is getting too close to the truth…

Because it wasn’t until you started getting less-than-positive responses that you blocked off viewing access to the public. This indicates that you are afraid of anything other claims that support your opinion. In other words, it is proof that you are delusional and cannot accept anything other than your own point of view. You are NOT a rational, reasonable person, and as such, hold no credibility.

Why do you constantly accuse others of being afraid, when all the evidence indicates that it is you who are trembling with fear? You’ve been discovered as a fraud, boy… tough, isn’t it?

Why would we be afraid of that? Isn’t it YOU who are afraid that people will disagree with you, and that is why you privatized your Guestbook? Coward.

Because you know you’re wrong.

This is amusing. You truly ARE delusional, aren’t you?

But since you have flawed, low-quality JPEG’s, the proof derived from them cannot be taken seriously. Until you get professional-quality photographs directly from NASA and cite your evidence from those, you will not be taken seriously.

I doubt that a single person did this. You’ve already proven yourself to be a liar and a coward… why should we believe you now?

And, yet, they added “artwork” into the Moon dirt, and buried “wingless shuttles” for all to see. We’re supposed to believe that? This high-priced organization that supposedly set up a hoax that “fooled” people for 30 years made such blatantly amateurish and sloppy “mistakes”?

The truth IS out. It just went over your head. You wanna talk about character assassination, boy? You’ve done just that to every single friggin’ person who’s disagreed with you. You’ve painted every single person directly related to the Moon landings as liars. You’re a hypocrite, a liar, a coward, and a fraud. Begone.

Finally, I’m going to repeat my challenge to you. If your next post on this message board isn’t a direct response to these questions, I don’t see why anybody should bother dealing with you in the future.

  1. What are you trying to prove, and why?

  2. How does your “evidence” show this?

  3. Why are you more credible than NASA? Why should we take your word for all this?

  4. Why would we “fear” your supposed “truth”?

  5. How come you seem to be the only person who sees this “evidence” of yours?

  6. Why do you have a “shuttle” fetish?

Again, if you truly do believe the Moon landings to be a hoax, and if your intentions are only about educating people, you must respond to the questions people pose of you. Failing to do so merely indicates that you are, as many others have labeled you, trolling for attention. Feel free to prove them wrong… to do so, you merely need to honestly answer those six questions.

A number of us a the Bad Astonomer’s site have carefully examined them. It’s unanimous: they’re bunk. Especially the rounded structure. Sure, there’s something there, alright. Is it proof of munchkin intelligences inhabiting movie studios? No. It’s called a “Lunar Rover”, Piper.

It’s true that it took us months to realize that Piper, aka, Seethruart was serious; normally when a person is being so adamant in proclaiming their belligerent ignorance to a forum, the natural assumption is that the person is just boring old troll. I guess not, eh?

The only conclusion that is that Piper really is invincibly ignorant, and is intending to stay that way.

Here’s a better picture of the Rover.

FNORD

In reply to SPOOFE’s post:

1. What are you trying to prove, and why?

-He has nothing to prove. He doesn’t care if anyone proves anything or not, that’s not the point. The point is, as for any troll, the attention. The interaction.

A troll like Piper/Seethruart is typically a lonely individual, neither physically nor socially active. People like this turn to the 'net for attention, but lack anything approaching the ability to gain and hold that attention by more acceptable means; polite discussion, being witty and/or funny, writing well, etcetera.

Instead, all they can do is get people angry- anything will do: challenge religious beliefs, make wild accusations to prominent individuals, or, as in this case, they take up a ‘cause’ that has a lot of both opponents and proponents, and take the side against whichever side holds the largest group.

2. How does your “evidence” show this?

-Of course it doesn’t, and Pipes doesn’t care. If it gets you to read his site, see his photos and most importantly, pay attention to him, that is the important part. The more wild his “photos” get, the more people jump in and try to prove his proof is bogus, which boils down to simply more attention for him.

3. Why are you more credible than NASA? Why should we take your word for all this?

-If he answered, it would burst his own bubble. His psychology is such that, he can’t face this sort of reasoning- his mindset is such that he must at least sorta-kinda believe what he’s saying in order to keep up appearances. So all he does- really, all he needs to do- is just deny, deny, deny, and- without actually answering any question directly- accuse his accusers of… well, anything. I’ve watched him- and yes, argued with him- at BadAstro’s board, and I have never once seen him directly reply to a question.

“That’s a rock.”

‘You’re just in denial of the truth!’

“That’s not a rock?”

‘NASA is covering up an alien civilization!’

“So that’s an alien rock?”

‘I’m the only one that can see the Truth!’

Yadda yadda and so forth.

4. Why would we “fear” your supposed “truth”?

-Fear. If anything, Pipes fears people will stop paying attention to him, that his efforts will have been wasted- or, more accurately, more wasted than they already are- and he’ll be back to just some lonely guy with a keyboard.

His fear, indeed, will drive him- HAS driven him- to reply to statements such as the above, with fanciful declarations that he has a “rich family life” and that he has a “fulfilling job”… geez, and he’s probably a respected member of the community, a PTA chair, and running for mayor too, I suppose.

To the contrary, he’s stated that Phil- the Bad Astronomer- will somehow be crushed under the immense realization of Piper’s Truth, and will shortly be flipping burgers at a fast food joint. What that tells me is that Piper himself very likely either is currently or has been a fast-food jockey- he found/finds it demeaning and ultimately pointless, so to him, it’s the epitome of menial drudgery, his version of Hell.

5. How come you seem to be the only person who sees this “evidence” of yours?

-The more fanciful his “discoveries”, the more responses he gets. The more response- good or bad- the more fanciful his creations.

He started out by showing photos directly from the Apollo Journal site, and simply attaching quite wild captions to them: see that bootprint? It’s superimposed. See that rock? It’s a photo of a mountain range taken at long distance and superimposed to make it look like just a rock. And so on.

Now, of course, to “keep the pressure on”, he’s taken to fabricating photos of his own, and making up even wilder captions.
6. Why do you have a “shuttle” fetish?

-Shuttle envy? :smiley:

Freud would have a field day with Pipes. We’re talking Master’s Thesis.

Thanks for summing up what I already suspected, Doc. ::sigh:: Sometimes, the Fight Against Ignorance just doesn’t seem worth it… BUT we must strive on, ever forward!

We need a Straight Dope Theme Song to play at times like this…

Seethru, you’re not that guy with the enormous beard that sat next to me on the train a couple of months back are you?, I tried to express genuine interest in your plan to destroy the world using tomatoes, but I still can’t see it working.

This isn’t ignorance, this willful ignorance. You can change a person’s misunderstanding, misconceptions ,and even minor delusions. You cannot change a person’s cherished delusions.

Howdy Dopers,

I’m another frequent poster from the BABB. We’ve dealt with Piper/Seethruart for months.

Not only does the picture with the ‘igloo’ look like the rover. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/as16-106-17340.jpg (In fact, after reading Piper’s first post I said to myself, what’s he talking about, behind the rover and that rock? lol) But we have a transcript that says Charlie Duke took that picture as a ‘locator’, a picture OF the rover from where they were standing at the time http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/a16.house_rock.html. We also have a video clip of when Charlie Duke took the picture. He is facing directly at the rover. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/a16v.1673603.ram So we have a picture of the rover taking a picture of the astronauts and vica versa.

Why Piper has still clung to this delusion for the several months this has patiently been pointed out to him is beyond me. He’s beyond reasoning, and like the Bad Astronomer said, should be ignored. He has now posted link on his page a video that was taken 20 minutes before 106-17340, trying to say it was taken immediately afterwards. A blatant lie. He also has posted a picture of the rover that was taken on EVA-2, a totally different day!

I will, although I won’t confront him directly anymore, gleefully debunk any and all of his lies and silly theories. We have children visiting the BABB and I believe that it HAS to be done.

A period got stuck in the http for the transcript.

The right one is http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/a16.house_rock.html

for giving me a link from his site to lots of cool cloud photos. This also gives me a chance to brush up on my German reading skills, which I have lost since junior high school.
Oh, don’t worry; I think he’s full of shit and his photoshop skills are simian at best.

Heh… I just took a peak at some of his other Non-Moon stuff. He has one cropped (and horribly blurry) image from a Mars surveyor which, he claims, shows “a structured entrance” going into a rock wall. Nevermind that any “structured entrance” in that picture would probably be a couple thousand feet tall…

Ah, well. He’s a brief amusement, at best. It’s a shame that the legitimate debates are clouded by this tripe. It’s especially sad when you consider that, several months ago, we had a few Moon-hoaxers who would actually debate the topic, and would address counter-evidence, and would actually acknowledge that they might be wrong.

Those were the days…

Say, does this mean that the SDMB is going to permanently gain some new astronomy-savvy members from the BABB? (Not instead of the BABB, of course, but in addition to. 'Cause I’m sure all of y’all are just sitting around wishing you had more on-line things to spend all your time doing, right?)

That would be a cool outcome of this nonsense.

Hey, come on, guys, don’t you know someone when a genuine obsession when you see one?

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