The first example earned a mod admonishment; the second a warning*; the third - nothing at all.
Is it simply a case of “tldr” only being jerkish if that’s the only thing you post? I disagree; for one thing, that interpretation of the rules only works if the rest of the post isn’t jerkish, and also I don’t believe there are any other “jerkish” behaviours which are diluted by further posting.
I’d really just like to know what makes the third example different from the other two in terms of acceptableness; i’m not seeing it.
Hmmmm…
One line post saying “too long didn’t read”
One line post saying “too long didn’t read”
One line of a post saying “too long didn’t read” followed up by 4 paragraphs of commentary about the thread subject based on prior threads about said subject.
Saying you didn’t read the thread but still wish to contribute is honest, even if it’s wrongheaded. Saying you didn’t read the thread and don’t wish to contribute is jerkish, because the ONLY purpose is to belittle the OP.
Good point. But I would say the only purpose of the rest of the third post was to belittle, too.
I’d probably agree with you if after saying the tldr equivalent **C K ** had then gone on to talk about the topic rationally, but (admittedly my interpretation) I don’t see “tldr” and then a neutral, continuance; I see tldr and then continued jerkishness.
It certainly wasn’t neutral, but I don’t think the followup was, in and of itself, jerkish. It was argumentative, disagreeable, and unfriendly, but it was at least an argument.
“tldr, bye.” is threadshitting. I’ll open up the quick reply, drop my turd, and go away. I don’t like that, not one bit. I expect a bit higher level of discourse around here, it’s not AIM. If you don’t like Sampiro’s threads, open up a pit thread of your own and take him to task. If you can’t be bothered to do that, shut your trap.
The first two are posters saying “I didn’t read any of this and that’s all I have to say.” It’s less belittling to the OP than it is acting moronic solely for the purpose of attracting attention to oneself.
The third is saying “I’m not going to wade through three (and probably more, counting other related threads the OP had previsouly started) pages of backstory to debate every last point with you, I’m going to respond to this particular point because it stands out as a neat summation of your intellectual dishonesty and generally annoying behavior.”
Yes, it’s rude and belittling. It was meant to be so and it was in the proper forum for those sorts of posts. What’s different about it from the first two is that it’s actually a response to someone, with content that can be commented on and replied to.
Posting one-word content-free replies solely to say you didn’t feel like reading the thread is jerkish. If you don’t have anything to say or don’t feel like reading a thread, don’t post.
Additional information for this specific case: In the first example, deevee’s post was in response to a specific dare posted on another website slamming Sampiro. This is not just jerkish, it’s trolling. My guess is that Snakes on a Plane was similarly motivated, but even if he wasn’t it was his job to read the thread and see TVeblen’s warning about his exact post, so he also loses double points for being both jerkish and stupid.
But C K surely did pretty much the same thing; I’ll open up the quick reply, drop my turd, add a few insults, and go away. I don’t see why extra typing makes the turd stink less, to continue the analogy; I certainly don’t think extra insults help the situation.
So? If someone had said, “I can’t be bothered to read this OP, but i’d like to taunt Sampiro” in the thread the first two came from I doubt that would have been allowed.
Again, if someone had said “tldr, and the OP is whiny” I don’t see how that makes a simple “tldr” any better.
I agree. I just think posting to say you don’t feel like reading the thread, and then belittling people anyway, is still jerkish.
I know of what you’re referring to, and I agree it’s too much of a coincedence not to be deevee’s motivation. But since when is following the suggestion of someone on another board trolling? The rules don’t mention anything like that;
I agree that’s a more tenuous link, and I agree that an upgrade to a warning over just an admonishment is fair, but again I don’t see why following the suggestion of someone on another board is trolling, or in fact against the rules at all.
Hey Rev, go back and read Giraffe’s post again, pay special attention to the part I quoted. I think you will see why TLDR got the reaction it got. I think under different circumstances a well known poster who was clearly just trying to be funny would have probably gotten away with it. In fact I bet people under the right circumstances, will get away with it in the future.
Say somebody like XXXXXX (name changed to avoid a hijack) posts one of his monster posts full of inacurate misleading and downright stupid BS, and he has been doing it for several pages and someone being sick of his bull shit chooses to express their opinion of the worthlessness of his long wrong and boring post by simply posting “TLDR”. I doubt a warning would follow.
But of course it would. Rationale given by mods so far; to say “tldr” and that alone is offensive; to have posted simply to say that you can’t be bothered to read it is the offense. Context doesn’t come into it, at least as far as I understand their position.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on the nature of Dex’s additional comments. I felt he was posting his opinion (angry as it was) on the topic, not just insults for insult sake.
That’s how I’d read it also. If poster TLDR wants to get such a message across without falling afoul of the mods there’d have to be some content, I would think, even if it’s no more than “Christ on a crumpet, XXXXXX, I quit reading your ignorant drivel back on page 2 of this thread. Why the hell don’t you just STFU?”
On preview, I agree with Cheesesteak but understand why you disagree with that interpretation.
I’d say it was a mix of honest opinion and oppurtunistic insults, so yeah, agree to disagree.
To use EddyTeddyFreddy’s post as a guide, I just find it strange that a post saying simply “tldr” would be more harshly punished than one saying “tldr, and you’re an idiot with a stupid position in this matter”.