You seem to be mischaracterising CKs post a little. It’s not
but rather,
It’s quite clear that although CK didn’t read the entire thread (and his post suffered for it,) he did read some of it, and responded to what he read.
And you’re right I didn’t read that entire thread before my first response to you. I had already read it when it was active and I’m not about to go through it again. Although CK may or may not have read the OP in the thread, the relevant point was that he had read some of the thread, and was responding to it. It was not just a drive-by “this thread is too long to read” post.
Also, I have a brain, it resides in my head and is used for thinking, unlike yours, which resides in your tail and is used for basic survival reflexes :D.
Alright. I still think there should be a “magic rule”, but that’s just my opinion; you’ve cleared this up for me, which is what I asked. Thanks.
Aww. I’m touched. Can I put “never been an asshole that i’m aware of” on my CV? Oh, and i’m male.
Not really. While you could certainly say that for his first paragraph, the second;
( my bolding)
…certainly seems to address more than the one person whose post he quotes, and it’s “those people” who he seems to be talking to for the rest of his post, too.
Now that I do agree with. And since context does have a role to play in it’s jerkishness, then while I disagree this is still a reasonable reason for the mods to draw the line.
Hah! I think that I started this thread shows that I have no basic survival reflexes at all! wags tail happily
I have to disagree (that there should be a magic rule. I fully agree that that was your opinion ). It seems to me that one asks for trouble by setting a hard and fast limit like this. When you set a line, for example that a tldr post must have X words to not qualify as jerkishness, you’ll get people who deliberately shit in threads by posting X+1 words, probably with the phrase “I’m posting the minimum number of words so you can’t warn me tldr bye.” Some people just feel they have to act like the annoying brother who’d wave his hands in your face while saying “I’m not touching you. I’m not touching you. See? I’m not touching you.”
This is my personal opinion, but I’d rather deal with the occasional bad judgment (I agree with the OP in the thread C K posted in), than have a system that uses no judgement.
I would posit that Dex meant, by “those people”, the cadre of Dopers who make a career, or at least a hobby, out of attacking the administration of the board every chance they get. Not saying there aren’t legitimate complaints now and then, but there are those who’ll gleefully haul out the machete for a flyswatter casus belli. Dex has read shitloads of spittle-flecked diatribes over the years as an admin, and it’s my take that his fed-up-ness with what he perceived as yet another game of “Kill The Admin!” is what provoked him to post that after reading enough of the thread to see it in that light.
Thank you for the explaination. This answers it all for me. The only thing I would have to disagree with you about is calling it extraneous. I thought bringing off board crap into threads was a bigger no-no. Since I am not a mod my opinion on that doesn’t hold much weight but I thought I would express it.
This boggles my mind. Someone comes along and posts “tldr” or “I really don’t care about your mother enough to bother to read the OP” on a post about someone’s mother dying, and you *don’t * consider that being enough of a jerk to qualify for a reprimand???
I don’t give a shit about the other message board. But I damned well care about how incredibly dismissive, rude, and hateful such remarks were under the circumstances. It’s one thing to make that kind of comment on a light, humorous or trivial thread, but on one like that? What other possible reason could someone have for posting that there than purely to be a jerk - pure malice in written form?
And I’d point out that there’s a long inglorious history of anti-admin/mod vituperation on this board, some of it justified, some not. Given the context of events around that thread and past brouhahas, I’m not surprised that Dex took a quick glance and launched into what to me boils down to “What, this shit again? Screw reading more of this drivel, I’m sick of your whining!” That he happened to be somewhat off-target in this particular case doesn’t change the fact* that his outburst sprang from far different motivation than the TLDR we’ve been discussing.
*What I consider a fact; YMMV, of course.
I agree it was a totally different motivation, I just didn’t think (given what was said by mods in Sampiro’s thread) that motivation had anything to do with it; it just seemed to be a case of tldr (or equivalent) being the offense, regardless of context or motivation. I’ve now been set straight on that.
My guess would be for two reasons. First, the initial rudeness/malice, regardless, was sufficient to merit a reprimand - in fact, I would have banned him on the spot! Second, why bring in the mention of another board. The people who know about **ark probably know, the people who don’t dont, and why take the risk of starting a board war for no reason? It’s not like we get *lots * of folks running around here doing things for the sake of pleasing a board full of mean-spirited bitchers, so it wasn’t like there was an example needing to be made. Basically the second board business, AFAIC, wasn’t particularly relevant. YMMV, of course.
Who knew the power of 4 consonants? Not me thats for sure. I can assure you that my remark, jerkish in hindsight, was typed in a spirit far more benign than has been ascribed to it in several pages of brouhaha. I don’t have an office job. I go online at home on my own time. Once my email has been dealt with and my porn jones has been sated I have about 10 minutes to piss about on the net before I turn in. Sometimes I visit the other board because I only have time to read one thread and they often pick the silliest. I spent less than ten unthinking seconds taking up the challenge and typing 4 letters. When I actually did read Sampiro’s post I was briefly mortified. Had it been a post about his cat I wouldn’t have given a shit, but when I actually read the post I truly felt like a jerk, briefly, because I just don’t fucking matter. Sampiro you have my sincerest apologies, I got a well deserved mod smackdown for my momentary lapse of reason but the rest of the kerfuffle astounds me because I just don’t fucking matter. I’m not a snarker, I’m not a Doper, this place just doesn’t mean as much to me as it does to others. I accept the fact that it was a jerkish thing to do and once again I offer my apologies and sympathies to Sampiro . The malevelant motives people are seeing just aren’t there.
I’d love to know what effect you think those consonants would have on just about anyone to whom you addressed them! At best, “tldr” is rude and dismissive; at worst, it is outrageously hurtful, *especially * for someone who is known to write many long, folksy OPs and clearly enjoys writing. Whatever was going through your mind, even if it *had * been about Sampiro’s cat, sure as hell wasn’t the milk of human kindness! There is simply no way to make that remark without being at least a little hurtful, and if you had thought about it for even a tenth of a second, you could have realized that too. But somehow I doubt that would have deterred you; are other people real to you at all?
You don’t get it, do you? It doesn’t matter that “you’re not important.” In fact, it’s all the worse because you’re a total stranger, because under most people’s moral codes, they have no axe to grind when they critique a stranger’s whatever, and therefore are highly likely to give their honest opinions. You also don’t get the idea that far more people lurk here than actually post, and therefore it is quite realistic to assume that for one person who posts something like that, there are ten, a hundred, a thousand others who feel that way but *didn’t * post it.
Aw, you were briefly mortified, were you? Just what did you think a thread with the words Mother and Dying in the title was going to be about??? If it honestly never occurred to you that it might deal with, you know, the *Dying * of his Mother, you’re too stupid to be on the Internet at all, and you’d better get off before you do some real damage to yourself or others.
Hey, here’s an idea. If you have only about ten seconds to browse the net after your “necessities” are seen to, why don’t you just hang out at your porn pages a little while longer? In fact, between what you wrote in that thread and the post quoted above, I’d have to say that you have about as much empathy as a Barbie doll, and probably shouldn’t interact with people at all. But if you insist on inflicting yourself on society, for Pete’s sake at least take two seconds to *think * before you say something (either on a message board or in person)! You may think of yourself as not important, but as I said above, the comments one gets from strangers often seem to be the most valuable of any, because they’re presumed to be unbiased. Words can and do hurt, no matter who says them.
You have to look at the overall jerkiness of a post. The fact that someone did not read a thread is not inherently jerkish. You might think it is jerkish because CK did not feel like reading whatever worthless crap was written in that thread (god forbid your life’s greatest bitching goes unread), but it is not. CK does not have to read the whole thread to respond to one post, no one does.
Forget about the tldr part. Reading posts is not a requirement. The requirement is relevant and somewhat decent content.
Does anyone else find it ironic that Revenant Threshold has not absorbed the content from CK’s post that he quoted? Almost as if he did not read it.
Oh, and i’m male.