Oh, and I meant to address this:
No, you weren’t, because you can’t.
But you analysis is wrong. Most people don’t “hate the south”. They hate the racists who live there and they hate the people who defend it’s racist past. You, standing up to “defend the south” is exactly what pisses people off. There are good people in the south, I know, I live here, but there is nothing good about slavery or segregation or the flag or Robert E Lee. You are blaming people for judging the south while simultaneously defending it’s worst aspects.
Don’t get me wrong, I personally would not do that but I understand why a judge would say it at the same time. His parents and family are going to be instantly sentenced into a virtual prison of their own for the rest of their lives just because they had a child turn really badly. It happens sometimes even in the best families. I have seen it happen several times even to really good parents. I make no judgement in this case because I don’t know all the facts about the family but having a notorious mass murderer in your family is never a good thing. It will cause loss of employment, extreme legal bills and eventual bankruptcy with no end and no way to get out of it for people that may have had no real influence in the crime. Do you think the Columbine shooter’s familes were fundamentally evil?
I am certainly not taking up for Dylann Roof nor does any Southerner I know. If you need an executioner tonight, I will be completely up for it and I could gather up a large posse if you want horses and rope involved. That son of a bitch needs to suffer as badly as possible. Luckily for him, the South Carolina Justice system is a little more nuanced and procedural these days.
Yes, you’ve told us before about how much you’d love to have an excuse to murder someone.
Yes, I know, which is why I mentioned both.
That was a joke that you missed. I hope I never need to kill anybody but I am not opposed to the idea in extreme cases. Those cases would not be ‘murder’.
I believe the word is “tacky,” taught to me by a Southern lady of a certain age, and spat out with all the venom an elderly belle would allow through her lips. “We,” meaning Quality, “don’t do that,” meaning something that Trash would do, though she was too polite to even mouth the T word, preferring to ignore such people. White people, of course. Don’t think she even noticed black people. Wish I could remember her name. It was classic. Eulalia, or something. Charming lady. Been dead these fifty years. 
No, it wasn’t.
Uh-huh.
Uh-yeah. I am certain that I will never murder anyone. Self-defense and the death penalty are quite different in my opinion and those of legal scholars. I already saved three people from dying (2 from drowning and one from a car accident) so I am already up three. I would be willing to take 1 point loss for an especially terrible person like Dylann Roof.
Character assassination isn’t a good debating tool especially when you are trying to go up against someone like me or Scylla. He is better than I am but we both have really good credentials.
Here’s a “Southernism” for you: That dog don’t hunt. Dude, you’ve used the term “Black Mammy” yourself (do I need to post a link?). There’s no way you grew up in the South without knowing that the term itself, even used just one time, is an extremely offensive slur.
Bless your heart.
You tried to strawman your way out of our Southern strategy of defending our (rather disgusting) history of racism.
I’ve said this a lot to people, but it bears saying again (why, I don’t know): “That other guy also does it” is not an excuse I accept from an 8 year old. Why in hell should I accept that sort of argument from an adult of presumably sound mind?
Even if you were right that the South is not some sort of unique bad guy (not really being claimed by anybody not made of straw and not especially true as you argue it, but whatevs), it’s an atrocious argument: “we’re not the only bad guys, so it’s not as bad as it seems”.
Seriously? That’s one shitty argument.
No it is really not when locales as different from St. Louis to Los Angeles are having severe racial and economic troubles of their own as do other major cities like Chicago. Meanwhile, parts of Texas and the rest of the South are absolutely booming. My parents suburb near McKinney, TX outside of Dallas i s struggling to build suburban housing and schools quickly enough to accommodate demand. It is almost exactly like Detroit in the 1950’s. Toyota USA decided to move their headquarters there rather recently because California taxes were too expensive and the sheer volume of construction going on to support that is mind-boggling. It goes on for many tens of miles with three new elementary schools just within a few miles of my parent’s house plus three new large subdivisions with large houses for not much money. If you want to see where the U.S. is doing well, that is it.
New Orleans (the most unique city in the U.S.), Houston (incredibly diverse), Atlanta (with the busiest airport in the world), Charlotte, NC (the banking center of the U.S.) are all doing very well. The stereotype that the South is nothing but a bunch of hicks living in the woods is not correct in the least.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to live in the swamps and hunt alligators all day but I also have an Ivy League education and that pays the bills better so that is what I do - for now.
Nice to see you around Scylla.
Ok, but the NE hipsters (sic) that I went around with during the 1980s weren’t exactly into the Confederate flag. Here’s my take of that period:
Again, I’m just adding to the historical record.
Finally,
But you know they really should. So on behalf of myself, New Jersey and Governor Christie I hereby apologize for Jersey Shore. Thankfully those 3 terrible years are now in the past and I implore my NE comrades not to erect monuments to that dark era.
LOL
Fair enough. I only repeated the term back because it was a term that other people insisted on using. I didn’t take enough offense at it at the time but it eventually wore me down over time. You can tie this one straight back into the ‘microaggression’ thread that we just had. It really pisses me off now because it is disrespectful to a person who I love but is now passed away.
As you point out the South has a long history. But southerners themselves have chosen to identify their heritage with one four year period of their history.
There wouldn’t be this issue if southerners wanted to talk about Hernando de Soto, John Smith, John Rolfe, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Nathanael Greene, James Madison, Daniel Boone, Sequoyah, Pushmataha, Andrew Jackson, Sam Houston, Winfield Scott, Mark Twain, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Huey Long, Robert Johnson, Elvis Presley, and Martin Luther King - all of whom were major historical figures. But if you ask a southerner about southern history, the story usually starts at Fort Sumter and ends at Appomattox.
Have you been hanging out in the Deep South? Maybe I don’t count–I was born in New Hampshire & have spent most of my life in Texas. Which is a Southern state but has its own identity. Who needs the Battle Flag when you have the Lone Star? Oh, we’ve got too many Old & Neo-Confederates here–but Clarence Fucking Thomas stood with the Liberal Supremes to reassure the State of Texas we did not need to add that traitorous symbol to our license plates. Just because the Sons of Confederate Veterans won in 9 other states. (That’s changing now.)
The ranks of Confederate memorials on the Capitol grounds have been joined by the Tejano Monument. I’ve got a lot of Hispanic/Latino/Tejano additions to the list–starting with Cabeza de Vaca, shipwrecked buck naked near Galveston, who trekked across Texas & the Southwest & learned to care for the people.
Musicians? John Nova Lomax used Ricky Perry’s sick flirtation with Secession as an excuse to list the musical Patron Saints & Bastards Sons from the 5 States of Post-Secession Texas. Palo Duro, Trinity (warning: Dallas bashing!), New Texas, Rio Grande & Brazoria.
Governor Sam Houston fought like a lion against Secession. When he lost the vote he offered to stay as President of an Independent Texan (as he had been before) but balked at swearing allegiance to the CSA. Houston said Jefferson Davis was “As ambitious as Lucifer and as cold as a lizard.”
From the rest of your list, even Andrew “I Can’t Believe He’s Still On the 20” Jackson stood for the Union. George Washington saw the USA as a country & spent his energies on his last agonizing day of life to ensure his slaves would be freed; he couldn’t free the ones that Martha from her first marriage. Or their descendants–the descendants of whom were eventually inherited by Mrs Bobby Lee. I’m not supposed to say rude things about Jefferson on this anniversary of His Great Accomplishment, but he used his long life to help the South sink further into agrarian, slaveholding doldrums.
Yeah, some of those folks in the moss-draped Deep South (that overlaps with East Texas) are too inbred to think straight.
Hmm. It seems the answer to my question is, “Yes; please do post a link.” Note that I’m not talking about the use of the word in this thread, but when you used it and were rightly taken to task by Guinastasia in the very next post after your use of the term. Again: that was in another thread.
When it comes to people like Washington and Jefferson, when we celebrate them, we do so for the things that are still admirable about them.
Quite true.
Unfortunately the stereotype of otherwise educated and progressive Southerners celebrating backward ideas and symbols on the grounds of “heritage” is alive and well.