We’ve been interfering in the Mid east for so long now that we cannot just walk away, we are players and we have to deal with whatever occurs.
It would be nice if we could erase history but instead we will struggle and perhaps learn a few lessons while we are at it.
Killing following killing is what is has been all about, adding more to the round has not worked for the last thousand years and I doubt that it will in the future.
(hijack)
While in the service, I did a lot of demolition work. To put that size hole with an uncontained charge in a ship takes a lot of boom. I wonder what the explosive was and how it was set.
(back on track)
I don’t believe there will ever be any sort of peace in that regon until the west get’s over it’s desperate dependence on their oil. I’m possibly one of the most rabid eco-freaks around, but I believe domestic drilling can be done without damaging the enviorment. Sooner or later, it’s going to have to be done unless some form of alternate fuel in made use of. Then these terrorist assholes, with the stakes and the profits vastly diminished, can go back to killing each other and raising goats for their local felch market.
Quote: “I don’t believe there will ever be any sort of peace in that regon until the west get’s over it’s desperate dependence on their oil. I’m possibly one of the most rabid eco-freaks around, but I believe domestic drilling can be done without damaging the enviorment. Sooner or later, it’s going to have to be done unless some form of alternate fuel in made use of.”
<cynically>I believe what we are trying to do is to use up all their oil first. After that happens, then we can drill our oil and leave them to kill themselves.</cynical>
And there’s a better than good chance that you’re right.
But damn, the cost of treachery is high.
Dozens of Israelis and Palestinians have been killed over the past month. None of this caused you to start a thread about it. Suddenly some Americans are killed and you want to go in and wipe out everyone remotely involved. May I conclude that you think that it’s all right if other people are killed, but attacks on Americans are unacceptable?
That people do not chose to get upset over every injustice in the world makes tham no less opposed to those injustices, but things that hit us closer to home get more attention. By no means does our anger at those responsible for the attack on the USS Cole indicate that any of us condone similar violence.
Do we now have to list every other bad thing when writing about one that has grabbed our attention? Because if so, I could note many things I’ve never seen you mention your opposition to. By the logic of assuming that you are in agreement with everything unless you’ve stated otherwise, I can only infer from your last post that genocide and child rape are fine and dandy in your world.
Communication is difficult enough with people deliberately misconstruing what others say. Now you want to add the ability to infer anything that wasn’t explicitly denied beforehand?
Are you an asshole? Because I don’t start a thread about Israelies and Palestinians, that means my anger towards the bombers of the Cole is somehow unjustified? Where the fuck do you get off? And where the fuck do you get the idea that I want to “wipe out everyone remotely involved”?
No, you may not conclude that I think it’s all right if other people are killed. The violence in Israel makes me angry as well. I think Arafat is a dickhead.
And yes, I do care more about Americans than Israelis or Palestinians. Does it make me evil that I fail to have the same level of empathy for some people that I do for others? Fuck no. It makes me loyal. I have friends in the military. I’m patriotic. When American soldiers die, it makes me more angry and sad than when someone else dies.
Now that the explaining is done…
Fuck you, you ignorant piece of monkey shit. I really appreciate distorting everything I said in a thread that was started in a moment of great emotional intensity, and then fallaciously leaping to conclusions about everything I did not say. I don’t know if you get your willies by cheapening the grief of other people, but you, sir are obviously devoid of the slightest trace of intelligence, or moral aptitude. You’re a pathetic justification for abortion.
Wendel: piss-off, piss-boy.
I didn’t a thread about every bad thing in the world because I’ve never started a thread about my personal feelings toward evil things in the world at all. Do a search and look at the threads I’ve started. Nearly every single one of them has been asking for the answer to an objective question. I don’t feel it’s my place to complain about every single injustice in the world because if I did I would be starting a new thread every five minutes. Every time anyone is the world is killed it bothers me. Every time someone starves to death it bothers me. Every time someone is discriminated against it bothers me. If I released my anger against all the injustice in the world on the board, there wouldn’t be space for anything else.
You admit yourself that you care more about American deaths than about Isreali and Palestinian ones. I don’t. I think it’s tragic that all the many dozens of people in the Mid-East are dying. I just don’t consider an American death worse than a Israeli or Palestinian one.
And I have never used words like “asshole” or “monkey shit” about the people I have disagreed with. You do. I never said that I thought that you were stupid or ignorant or evil, because I don’t think you are. I just think that you’re someone who’s more concerned about the deaths of some people than of others.
You do seem to have a problem with anger though. You say that you “would gladly volunteer [your] services to conquer whatever pathetic culture endorses such acts of assholitude”. You say that these people are “cowardly, pissant bullshit whiney little “freedom” fighter.” You call me “a pathetic justification for abortion.” You complain about me distorting your meaning and then you distort my meaning at least as much.
Do you think that displaying your anger on the board helps things? Well, it doesn’t. You’re both infecting other people with your hatred and increasing your own level of hatred.
The last post should begin with “I didn’t start a thread about every bad thing in the world . . .”
One mans freedom fighter is anothers terrorist.
While I don’t condone either the Palestinians or the Israeli’s, and wish to see an ending to this, I think that some ofg the comments made so far are completely out of line. (e.g. Rosie and Bill)
Does your logic make me a killer also?
I refuse to condone either the Isralie or the Palastinian, if I’ve spelled that right, positions. They are both acting like assholes.
All I know for sure is that a US ship, peacefully refueling, was viciously assaulted and many of it’s crew killed and injured.
As we seen to have entered an age of taking half-assed measures, I wonder what will be done to, ok, I’ll put it straight, REVENGE the matter. Probably damned little.
Don’t forget, Saddam lives, and more’s the pity.