To what extent can a group member's character be inferred from others'?

And nothing about what I said has changed. White racism is no longer as big problem it once was, but it remains a problem and no other form has emerged to be a problem in any way comparable.

Plus we have the GOP trying to perpetuate it and use it to race-bait for more power.

Nobody here’s saying racist Democrats don’t exist, but they exist in a small and/or powerless minority within a party that’s been pushing for racial equality for decades. The GOP puts their racists front and center. The two are not comparable in the least despite what some people have been trying to infer

So all Republicans are racist?

Can you point out one, SINGLE good republican like I asked?

If not, “Willingly joins a group that acts racist and homophobic and passes racist and homophobic legislation and doesn’t actually do anything to change that” certainly counts as racist to me.

You are the company you keep. Lay down with dogs, wake up with fleas.

People can and are judged by those who they associate with. If you want to be good pals with a guy who has a giant swastika tattoo on his face, don’t be surprised and offended if I think you’re racist.

See, that’s just an incredibly ridiculous question.

It’s ridiculous because, no, you can’t accuse anyone of being bad until they’ve proven to your satisfaction that they are good.

Second, come on. Really? You actually think it’s possible that I couldn’t?

Please list every single group you’re a member of so we can scour its membership for bad people. What are you afraid of? Give us the list now.

Be sure to include the name of the political party you recently supported.

But I’m not pals with that guy. Never even met him. If I did, I’d tell him to go to hell. He voted for a guy from the same mainstream political party that I voted for (hypothetically - I’m a Democrat), out of millions who did the same. That doesn’t make him my friend.

It’s as stupid as saying that because some people who watch HBO are Nazis, they’re all Nazis. It’s nonsensical.

If I had voted for the Nazi party, that would be different. But that would be true regardless of whether that guy with the swastika voted for it.

So name a “good” Republican already. Bonus points if he or she hasn’t pandered to extremists and isn’t likely to be displaced in a primary by an extremist.

That’s such a stupid question that I’m not going to pander to it. It’s unfair, and it’s dumb. It’s like demanding proof that there are dogs out there with short tails. It doesn’t require proof.

I’m a lifelong Democrat, but I don’t play these nonsense games. This crap is nothing but insulting and a distraction. It won’t convince anyone of anything. It may make you feel good about yourself, but that’s not worth much.

No, it isn’t, and not even you believe it.

Yes, it is.

Don’t you dare tell me what I believe. You’re already displaying your poor critical thinking skills. If you must resort to putting thoughts in my head, you’ll prove just how desperate you are.

I absolutely 100% believe it’s impossible for you to list one. Prove me wrong and I’ll apologize, go away, and not bring it up against.

So go ahead - if you’re claiming you can go and do it.

No, I’m saying that if you choose to join the political party that has supported racism, homophobia, sexism, anti-science, etc, etc, you are a bad person. If you knowingly join the political party that says LGBT people shouldn’t have equal rights, if you knowingly join the political party that says critical thinking is a bad thing, if you knowingly join the political party where the majority of presidential candidates claim evolution isn’t real - you are a bad person in my mind.

I would not mind much (OK, I would too) that the Republicans that are not racists would not do much against the racists in their group, but the problem for me is that many times the racists are **elected ** by the majority of that group in many states.

Them and their causes are not condemned in the open by the so called Republican leaders, what I see is just the typical: slaps in the wrist, their policies are condemned like “self deportation” but the guilty members are not criticized directly. And then? They are welcomed anyhow to come to the party convention and help set policy.

When Mr. Kobach and other groups that have also racist members financed and pushed for the ICE lawsuit against the Dreamers the typical Republican leadership also did go for the slaps in the wrist, but no direct condemnation for that move; even when many experts told them that the lawsuit was not going to win, but the reason was clear to me, it was a move to blow a whistle that tells the racists that they have their attention in the Republican Party.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/06/13/nro-adds-struggling-anti-dreamer-lawsuit-to-its/194455

And indeed the lawsuit was eventually dismissed, but blowing the whistle was more important.

To be clear, you don’t want a prominent Republican who espouses those views, you want one that tells other Republicans to knock it off with the creationism & etc already?

Denying evolution makes you a bad person? :confused:

Well, lets not go too far to the other end, IMHO, and regarding racism John McCain is one. I do think seriously that one factor on why he lost was that he dared to tell a deluded birther that she was wrong about Barack Obama. And then we just saw McCain officially censured by the Republican Party of Arizona for, among other things, being so in favor of immigration reform.

And this also deserves a slap in the wrist :slight_smile: I do not think that many are bad persons, they are only ignorant about how their party has changed from the days of Reagan and the better Bush.

Yes. To be specific, someone who has called their party on that BS. NOT somebody who just goes “Who cares, I don’t, don’t hold it against me”, but somebody who says “Alright, STOP it.”

I do not trust or like religious fanatics

Jesus, you’re that absurd?

It’s like you don’t live in the real world.

Again, I’m a strong, lifelong Democrat, and I have lots of disagreements with Republicans, but I have known many who are decent human beings. It’s like you never leave your house or something. Or you’re deliberately being loony.

It’s a ridiculous question.

You should apologize for even asking it.

You know, I just realized something - I

Careful - you’re describing Democrats too. :wink:

Hmm. Do the Log Cabin Republicans know they are bad people?

And does the GOP say gays shouldn’t have equal rights? Is it official policy?

You’re not one to talk about critical thinking.

Quite a list.

So how many of these things can the party keep before it’s not “bad”? Or must it be perfect on every single issue? Careful, your answer may be used against you.

So if you “call your party” on the BS, does that make you no longer “bad?” Even if you continue to support that party?

Hmmm.

So anyone you don’t like or trust is a bad person. Got it.

Do you hate everyone you have a disagreement with about everything? And everyone who associates with them?

No wonder you actually believe it’s possible that every single Republican in the world could be “bad.” You’re really wrapped up tightly around yourself.

Prove it or stop whining about it. You say it’s obvious - PROVE IT.

Better yet - I’m going to claim I’m omniscient. I’m not going to back it up. I know you can’t prove that, and secretly you enjoy stealing your neighbor’s dogs and making stew with them every night.

I don’t need to prove this. I just need to state that it’s obvious, and whoever disagrees with me should obviously apologize for doubting me.

I have to cite what is well known and obvious, and yet you refuse to cite things at all. HMMMMMMM.

And yes, people who flat-out claim that the majority of scientists and rational thinking people are liars are bad people. Sorry, but there is NO way you can be a creationist and a good person - the two are mutually exclusive. Either you trust facts and science, or you don’t.

I forgot to finish my thought in my last post.

I realized that you have NEVER once proven to me that you don’t like to stomp puppies.

I’m shocked. How could you be so cruel?

Please, either come out and say that you don’t stomp puppies, or I’ll have to continue to find you a horrible, puppy-stomping bastard.

Wow. So now you’re doing your own parody of yourself?

And to think you chose cruelty to dogs as the parody just like me. Why is that?

You would make a GREAT Republican - they hate critical thinking too.

Ever see the film or stage play “The Caine Mutiny Court-martial?” You should. A defense attorney gets a ship’s captain to talk and talk until he says crazier and crazier things to demonstrate that the mutineers he is defending were right about him.

Keep talking!

lance, do you admit, as an official policy as stated in their official party platform republicans have came out against equal rights for gays or not?

Do you think, then, that this makes homophobia an official policy of the republican party or not?

In your eyes, can people be held responsible for the official policies of the groups they belong to, or not?