I like tradescantia, too, and will cheerfully use it.
I was not taught the myth with that slant in Catholic school, no general condemnation of Jews, no conversion to Christianity.
Who the hell are you to say who is black? The Khoisan are as African as any other peoples.
There are black folks who aren’t Africans, and Africans who aren’t black folks. I thought that the Khoisan were considered black, though, but since “black” is purely a cultural signifier, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are not considered black in some (or even all) parts of Africa.
Im not sure what this word stew means but the Khoisan were in what is now known as SA long before any Bantu speakers. The above distinction is the very essence of racism.
?? Which part? There are tons of different ethnic groups in Africa – far more than any other continent in terms of genetic diversity. Is it really that surprising to you that some of them would be considered black, and others would not be?
It’s just plain ignorant to think African = Black. Khoisan are not Black any more than Finns or Koreans are.
How does that make them Black?
No, it is not. Pointing out that a certain historic pejorative applies to a particular ethnicity, one that did not have any part in the transatlantic slave trade and hence didn’t give rise to any African-American descendants, and hence African-Americans have no claim on that heritage, is not racist. It’s pedantic, but it’s not racist.
So, please tell me, MrDibble, how you would have found it if I had called you something about “Roo-bro”?
Doesn’t mean nothing, does it? I can say the word ‘Rooinek’ and it isn’t going to piss you off at all? I can call you a ‘Rooinek shill’ and no one can take offense at that, now can they?
Your country isn’t the only one in the world. You know about as much of mine, as I just displayed of yours. Lighten up, Francis.
“Race” is a social construct. The divisions in the US are different than the divisions in South Africa. In the US, Khoisan would be considered “black”. They are from Africa, not from the mediterranean basin, and are typically as dark in color as most “Black” Americans. That all means “Black”.
It’s not an accident that the current term in vogue for the Americans who are also called “Black” is “African American”.
And hey, I went to college with the Empress of Japan, so I suppose I have something in common with her. 
Black has no anthropological or genetic meaning. Fijians and Australian aboriginals are often considered black as far as the cultural meaning of the term goes. Khoisan, while not very dark skinned, would have been considered black by Europeans.
Are pygmies black?
Means nothing with regard to a South African pejorative, does it?
Agreed.
Not in Southern Africa, they weren’t. And we have the Apartheid-era race classification schemes to prove it - they were classified as Coloured, not African.
Not IMO.
I’d say “I’m not Australian”?
Er, not to me.
Are you …
are you trying to say “rooi-bro”?
I mean, it still wouldn’t mean anything to me, except seem like you were somehow mistakenly trying to devise an insult for Afrikaans-speaking Native American frat boys…since “rooi” just means red.
Not in-and-of-itself, no. I mean, it’s not a pejorative that applies to my cultural group in any way, just so you know. ctnguy might take offense, I think he’s English South African. I’m not.
I don’t know, I don’t even know what that means.
Err, no, that’s clearly not the case.
So, in other words, Bloody Kaffir wouldn’t work, either?
Bullshit.
NM
I’m done.
Not particularly, no. I mean, I get that you’re trying to find a South African insult that actually fits me, but none of those are actually correct, so it just comes across as a fail, insult-wise. Sorry. Do you need some help finding ones that would apply?
Erm, who are these Afrikaans-speaking “english” you’re referring to, and how does a cite about an Afrikaans insult for English White South Africans clear anything up?
I am not sure where you are trying to go with this. The original term I Modded as inappropriate was “Jew noun,” based on an insulting use of that construction in U.S. language. Do you have any reason to believe that “Roo* noun” has the same insulting connotation in South Africa? Let’s not pick this thing to death by going off on odd tangents.
Lots of people, that would be called “black” in the American system, are not, by their own lights or according to people where they come from. (Trevor Noah has a stand-up segment about this, if that helps.)
In any case, Nzinga is not Khoisan, which is the only point of relevance there.
Really? Social media is blowing up with stories of how the party hosted jointly by two fraternities was really just the fault of the Jews? I haven’t seen any of those. Perhaps you have a link?
So there are no Pike chapters, anywhere, with decent, respectful, young men of varied backgrounds? That’s good to know. Ignorance fought.
You know, one reason to ignore the Pikes might be because they are all, everywhere, unalloyed douchebags. Another reason to ignore the Pikes might be because that then leaves the Jews solely responsible for the party; and a convenient target for someone who chooses to attack them alone.
I know you, of course, wouldn’t do that, but some people on the Internet might. When I receive an invitation with more than one host listed, I consider all named hosts to actually be hosts. I don’t sort them by their religion.
Yes I am. I don’t find the word “rooinek” inherently offensive but of course any descriptor can be offensive with the appropriate tone and context.
(And if someone said “rooi-bro” my mind would jump first to the amusingly incongruous image of a group of bros drinking rooibos tea.)