UncleBeer, yesterday you moved my thread from MPSIMS to the Pit, http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=1720589#post1720589.
I asked you questions about this in the thread, and signed off before I saw a response from you. Now I am back, but would rather not go back to the pit to look for
your response. As I have said, I consider the Pit mostly nothing but worthless profanities. It is verbal terrorism, and not possible to have a decent discussion there.
Instead, can you answer my questions here?
What is trolling? Is there a rule about it?
Which of my GD posts do you consider crap?
Why do you think commentary is needed in MPSIMS and GD orignal posts, and are there rules requiring commentary?
Are you going to allow the death threat made in the Pit?
Non-moderators, please don’t post to this thread, at least yet. I would like to get “official” responses from Mods only for now.
That’s pretty funny, considering that you quite obviously didn’t post the OP in that thread for the purposes of “discussion.” You posted it . . . well, ironically, the only opinion I can offer on that would be limited to the Pit.
Um, perhaps you’ve heard of this newfangled invention called “e-mail.” If you want " ‘official’ responses from Mods only," e-mail them. You post here, you’re going to get other responses.
You ask questions in the Pit and won’t go back to read the answers? Fine. Follow the URL. You can read my response there, or not at all. I don’t give a damn either way.
Trolling is making a statement that is deliberately inflammatory so as to aggravate other posters. Trolling is typified by the “hit-and-run”, namely, posting an OP or making a reply, then never returning to the thread.
Is there a rule about it?
Trolling is considered being a jerk, which means that it breaks the “don’t be a jerk” rule.
Which of my GD posts do you consider crap?
All of the ones where your OP is a cut-and-paste job from another website, designed to give an extreme left-wing point of view, and where you do not bother to return to the topic in order to support the point.
Why do you think commentary is needed in MPSIMS and GD orignal posts, and are there rules requiring commentary?
Well, geez, one would assume by the statement “Debate” that it needs to involve two sides arguing. But you aren’t arguing- you’re haranguing. You’re throwing out a screed from one side, then ignoring what is said and moving on to throw out another screed from that side. You don’t respond to rebuttal, you don’t respond to argument. That’s not a Debate. If you just want to state your opinion and have people ooh and aah, go to IMHO.
However, should you continue to make large C&P posts, you will still be banned for violating copyright. Are you going to allow the death threat made in the Pit?
Please explain. I have yet to see a death threat against you. I have seen one person state that another poster would likely make a death threat against you, but that other poster has not yet done so.
**Non-moderators, please don’t post to this thread, at least yet. I would like to get “official” responses from Mods only for now. **
You get what you get, and thinking you have any say in what you get is laughable.
I did not “make a statement that is deliberately inflammatory so as to aggravate other posters”. All of the GD posts I have made were legitamate attempts at a debate. Likewise, the MPSIMS post I made that was moved to the pit I still consider to be a mixture of satire and political thought. Never have I posted anything on this board only to aggravate other posters in a hit and run. As I have said, I don’t like Pit type responses from people.
If I never return to the thread, it’s because I am too busy or have nothing more to say.
So there are no rules specifying that trolling is considered being a jerk. Are there any other unspecified practices that are considered being a jerk? Also, as I have said in my other posts, it seems most of what’s said in the Pit is a violation of the “don’t be a jerk” rule, but nothing is done about it. When I see that, you don’t seem to take that “don’t be a jerk” rule seriously.
Cut and paste thoughts are crap? What if they are well written emails that express views better than I can, and there appears to be every intention of the writer(s) that they would like their words spread and posted. Extreme left-wing thoughts are crap? Seems biased. Are right-wing thoughts crap?
Again, are then any rules about this? Any rules saying the OP needs to return to the topic? Are we talking MPSIMS or GD? Anyway, most of the time in GD, I think I do return to the topic. Can you give me specific examples where I don’t?
The thread that was moved was in MPSIMS, not GD. Again, give me examples where I have done this in GD. I can give you several example where I respond to rebuttal. Also, what if I am not sure how I stand on a topic, but would like it discussed and debated? What is wrong with making an OP in GD saying: “here are some interesting thoughts, I’m not sure what I think of them. What do you people think”?
“If you just want to state your opinion and have people ooh and aah, go to IMHO”.
I did not know IMHO was for that. I will try to use it more to learn about it. If Mods think any of my threads belong there, then move them. I would rather they go there than the pit.
Email can not be C&P’ed? I was not aware of any copyright laws for emails. Can you refer me to a cite on this? Is it mentioned in the sdmb rules?
One poster wrote “If so-and-so sees your thread, he is going to hunt you down and kill you”. That is a death threat. Am I supposed to wonder if that other poster say my thread? We have no way of knowing, but it seems likely.
A C&P job from another website is crap?! You know, LOTS of posters C&P some text from another website. Anyway, my two most recent posts that UncleB is griping about where C&P from emails, not sites. As far as I know, their info is not on a web site.
I forgot one of my original questions for UncleBeer. What is the criteria you used for moving my MPSIMS post to the Pit?
“You ask questions in the Pit and won’t go back to read the answers? Fine. Follow the URL”.
You are the one who moved it to the pit. Most of my questions I ask you are about this message board. Thus, they belong in the about this message board forum, not the pit.
Any original written work is copyrighted as soon as it is created, whether it’s in an email, on a website, in a neatly typed manuscript, on a sheet of stationery or scribbled on a paper napkin. (US Copyright Office FAQa)
Bolding mine. So the posting of copyrighted material is covered under the general “otherwise violative of any law” and by the specific “You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this BB.”
Additionally, the posting of spam email could fall under:
Depending on whether endlessly circulating spam is considering a chain letter.
I have a question for curious george - what makes you think that the moderators are required in any way to justify their actions? This is a private board. They could ban you for using the word “banana” if they felt like it. The rules are just guidelines. They’re not obligated to spell everything out, and, frankly, they’re not even obligated to stand by the rules they do choose to spell out, although they generally do.
If they don’t like something you do, they warn you. If you keep doing it, they ban you. Even if it’s not spelled out in extreme detail. It’s really just that simple.
Well, but the idea behind a message board is for you to express your own thoughts. Most of the people who C&P from somewhere don’t make that their entire post. They either do it to support what they’re saying, or they do it so that they can provide their own opinion of what the other quote says. It seems like in a lot of your threads recently that I’ve seen, you’ve just posted someone else’s work and that’s it. You haven’t told us what you think of it. Then, after other people have commented on it, deciding that, because you didn’t comment on the work, you agree with it, you don’t come back to respond to those comments. That’s the problem people are having with your posts.
Also, as others have said, copying entire articles, even if they’re e-mail, is sort of problematic when it comes to copyright.
I hope I don’t seem hostile, but remember, the purpose of this board is to share your views, your ideas, and your opinions, and you’ll probably have a lot more fun if you do that.
I saw my username as the last poster, knew that was wrong, came to check - Lo and behold, the board fairy re-posted for me. ???
Mods feel free to remove the double post and this explaination if you see fit.
Sorry, but not my doing …