Yeah, I do. Because people are free to read what I write and respond or to ignore me and not respond. Have some goddamned adult agency around here instead of needing to be cloistered like a mental infant.
I found it preposterous that adult college students need play-doh and safe spaces. Now, I’m beginning to understand how catering to and enabling such poorly socialized behaviors has created the problem.
This response makes very little sense. Are you sure you read what I posted?
Says the guy that complains about “potty” language!
‘Fuck! We were so close to beating the Turing Test!’
Yes. People are responsible for their own emotions. I’m not reaching through this screen and poking anyone in the forehead. People are choosing to read what I write and choosing to become triggered. That’s a lack of adult agency. I’m not sure why you don’t get that.
So, this and the ATMB thread have pretty much proven that Octo can’t be bothered to defend anything that isn’t his side - hateful little bigoted trolls of all stripes. So again, I point out as I did after Ed updated the rules, is he not more trouble than he’s worth? He’s unable to provide any cites for useful posts, and the rest of the time he’s insulting almost everyone else, advocating breaking the rules, and … no, wait that’s it.
Simple fact is you make people angry on this board. Surely you realize that?
This I can translate from octo "choosing to point and laugh at the clown’.
Nothing in the Board rules imposes on anybody any “obligation to drop said adjectives”. We can have discussions about gender identity where we talk about “trans people and cis people”, or “cis women and trans women”, or “trans men and cis men”, or “cis people and trans people and nonbinary people” until our fingers fall off, if we so choose. I for one use such expressions all the time on these boards, and nobody minds.
What we can’t do is to use expressions like “women and trans women”, or “men and transgender men”, or “women and trans-identified males”, or “women and MEN who feel like they’re women”, or similar terms that deliberately exclude transgender people from the generic descriptor for their gender identity.
Don’t worry, I have more faith than you do in society’s ability to catch up to us, just as they have been doing on issues like acceptance of same-sex marriage and acknowledgement of the reality of climate change.
In every situation of changing public opinion, somebody’s got to be the early adopters, although the late adopters generally conveniently forget to apologize for calling the early adopters “insulated and out of touch” once they finally climb on board and start pretending that they were in agreement with the change all along.
What you wrote is untrue. I haven’t advocated for breaking the rules. I disagree with some of the rules but that is quite different than advocating breaking them. Do you even logic?
No I don’t make anyone anything. People choose to be angry. That’s why I say you don’t understand agency.
More importantly just how long have we been using them.
I agree with that. It’s just I think persuasion is a better tool, in the long run for a so-called progressive society, than coercion.
I figured I’d add value to Octopus the only way we can on this board, show how to serve it.
Lol! A recipe! Perhaps, this can be split to the cookbook thread?
Like I said, if a site isn’t willing to impose “coercion” of some kind about speech, then the site just gets all stunk up with overt bigots using whatever slurs they feel like, on the grounds that they don’t want to be “coerced” into “speaking in a way that they feel is dishonest to their perceptions” or “silenced” just because other people “choose to be angry” and “triggered” etc. by their slurs.
You can’t logically sustain a wishy-washy position of being fine with mods banning use of the n-word but complaining about mods banning the use of misgendering language about transgender people. And if you advocate with more logical consistency for the mods not banning use of any speech, on the grounds that “people should be able to debate anything”, well, that’s how you end up with 4chan.
It is.
Several Red States made laws banning the teaching of it in colleges and universities too.
Things like this:
Right wingers would also use research like that to criticize China, but professors and teachers in several states are not allowed to teach that now.
It is 100% bullshit.
Particularly when a highschooler would not be able to cite research like that in a paper now.
Shit, that’s a damn good point! But during a transitional time, which I’d argue we are during, not everyone will be at the same point at the same time. For example, I believe midget or something was modded recently as being language that was hateful or a slur. Now, not everyone has got that memo! So there is a transitional time in which it takes for the use of language to be adopted and I’m saying some people need time.
True, but there’s not really a way to have a “Schroedinger’s banning” where a controversial term will be simultaneously prohibited and permitted until an overwhelming societal consensus on it eventually clicks into place. The mods have to make a definite call one way or the other, even on terms that in the larger society are still widely disputed.
Yeah, I mean it’s only been seen that way for a couple of decades and those memos move so slowly.