So as promised above, I must remind everyone of this:
I’ll be at work for another 2 hours or so, but I’ll have some actual work to do here and there from now until then. But after 8ish pm PST, I’ll only be able to check in here and there on my phone. And any responses may influenced by any number of beers, and probably rife with auto-incorrections.
**Official vote count:
WF Tomba - 8 votes: (Sub Plankton 372)(Octarine 377)(Dante G 378)(snfaulkner 384)(Dead Cat 404)(HookerChemical 407)(Biotop 427)(Texcat 433)
Dante G - 2 votes: (Precambrianmollusc 365)
Mahaloth - 1 vote: (IRConfused 376)
snfaulker - 1 vote: (WF Tomba 386)
HookerChemical - 1 vote: (Mahaloth 436)
As I mentioned upthread, I will be nowhere near a computer at noon tomorrow and am unlikely to get naer one until mid-afternoon at the earliest. I apologize in advance for the delay.
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**Dante G has one vote, obviously, not two. **
Sweet I get two votes !
JB you have 2 votes on DanteG ( which he deserves) but only me listed .
Thanks for the count, good sir! I was just about to try and do a tally myself.
Mod ninja’d
Well, since two-thirds of the Town is voting for me, I am curious about the thinking of those few who are not.
So, Precambrianmollusc, IRConfused, and Mahaloth, some questions for you, if you please:
Do you think I’m a werewolf? If you had to estimate the probability that I’m a werewolf, what would you say?
What do you think of the case that has been made against me? Are there any particular holes in it?
What do you think you will accomplish by casting a one-off vote?
Working on the thread, but briefly
1 and 2 Leaning on confused townie. being the last to switch votes to sario ,is potentially scummy, but lets face it, if following the crowd was a scum tell, there are at least 6-7 other people guilty of it today. What I saw from your ’ Hey Astral is building a case on me" posts. I see that as slightly town. I tend to think scum keep things simple. If Astral were building a case on you it would have been quite complex reasoning, so unlikely astral was scum, in the absence of other data points. If you were scum trying to smudge astral, then your case on Astral involves trying to portray him making a complex case against you, which is just waaaay to complex for scum, when all they need to do is sit back and watch town twist themselves in knots looking for wolves in the shadows. So I get a “paranoid jumpy town” vibe from that, hence not really thinking that scummy. From what I can tell the case tends to build on evaluating your other posts based on a view that you are scum.
3 - I want to vote for the person I think is most scummy, and I am working on enhancing my case on DanteG. The vote record is important, and I tend to vote for who I think is most likely scum. About the only time I would think of a tactical vote would be to avoid a no lynch situation. Other than that Ill be over here making well thought out , highly prescient cases, or babbling like a confused syphilitic orangutan with a mental agility that could be likened to the physical agility of a three legged donkey with a hard on, taped down onto its’ one remaining rear leg. Sometimes it is hard for me to determine which one I am.
Actually** Suburban Plankton**, it is I who owe you the apology. I regretted posting that rant almost as soon as I hit “submit.” You did nothing but point out three similar posts and note an unusual consistency. I took a long day tiredness as well as frustration at how long it took me to compose that lengthy post— and I turned it on you for no good reason. I was wrong to do so.
This game would be difficult if every time someone pointed out something odd or even suspicious, it would earn them a tirade response. Instead of encouraging shier players to post, I think rants have the effect of making some players cautious else they provoke such a response. Worse, my rant took away from my long post which I struggled with and hoped contained useful information. One thing I should have learned from my last game is that players remember much more another player’s harshness than they remember the contents of the other players postings.
Posting analysis is a “Town Act” even if we force the wolves to do it. Conversely, anger, tirades and strong negative emotion help Scum by focusing attention away from analysis and onto personality conflict. My post was scummy. I can understand why Mahaloth voted against me on Day 1 for my tone. I can do better.
In that spirit I owe Dante G. an apology as well. While I do not like his post #271, it does not good to yell out “WTF?” I crossed a line and I am sorry.
I have made a promise to myself that if I start to type out what my mother often referred to as “four-letter words” in this or future games, I will step away from the computer until I can calm down and post in a reasonable non-combative manner. I do like to win, but this is only a game. If I break that promise I hope and expect other players to rightly call me out on it.
First off, Hooker Chemical, thanks for the kind words about my action hero mafia. As for my play style that seems to be garnering some attention, well, what can I say.? I know that my comments can be misconstrued and that’s a bad thing. I’m not trying to sound cryptic at all, I’m just trying to fit in amongst the big guys here who play the game with far more passion and attention to detail than I have ever seen in my years of playing mafia. I can honestly say that I suck at playing Town, I really do. The games where I was Scum were times where I really had a blast and I tended to last quite a while as well. When I am town though, I seem to never have the same luck. In my efforts to to maintain my innocence I can sometimes shoot myself in the foot, as I have this time.
Now I know that I only have 2 votes for me, but I figured I might as well explain myself now so as to prevent further suspicion of me later.
I already said I didn’t. Or at least no better than chance.
No better than chance. I already said this earlier.
I’ll vote for the person most likely to be scum.
Some random thoughts
More on WTF Tomba
Known dead scum the Prof, in post 147 is calling out WFT , Octarin, Sario and IRconfused.
Need to go back and see if there are any other notable low posters that Prof was not calling out.
He had a pretty detailed run through of the players with analysis, so town plus points there.
On Astral and the Prof – for the record, when I saw Prof P and his chummy post, this indicated to me Prof had perfect information – ie scum. Not a hugely convincing argument and when I saw Astral dismiss my reasoning as flimsy, I had in the back of my mind Astral may be covering for a scummy Prof. That said, it wasn’t exactly a stellar case, so it just ranked as a mild raised eyebrows on the suspicion scale. What really sealed it for me over the Profs scumminess was the fact he defended himself by trying to deflect the reasoning , “oh I am being voted for, for being loud” etc, anything other than address what the accusation was.
To me that was scum trying to distract from the case being made by substituting the argument made for less good reasons, then defending against that .
Now we don’t know if the Prof was being genuine about his defense , or the validity of the ‘perfect info , accusation, but he did dance around when poked, unfortunately not to the gallows. I would not read anything into the towniness of WFTomba or Bio from the Profs slip if that’s what it was…
Why I think Dante G is scum
Day one we have Dante G forgetting he had not voted.
He votes for Mahaloth, staying out of the Prof vs Sario debate
Day two
Post 360
Well, at the expense of a Townie, we at least know that we also have either a Vigilante or an SK. Hopefully this will work out in Towns favor.
Why ‘towns” favor and not “our” favor.
Post 362
We did however, lose a Scum player in Pepperwinkle
Again WE DID LOSE
I just don’t see a town person phrasing it that way, Both of those sentences indicate he lost something and town is another group of people.
Sure I could be reading too much into things, but it keeps happening.
After some back and forth ( poor choice of word excuse given ), he jumps on SNFFaulkner, but no mention of Deadcat who was in a similar position.
Strikes me as an opportunistic poke as SNF and an attempt to get some votes building anywhere else but on him. Also IF DanteG turns out scum, it is interesting that the line of attack is to look at who switched votes. Maybe no scum were involved in vote switching, or even voting for the Prof or Sario.
Then in post 378, once he was called out by Suburban Plankton for the SNFaulkner vs Deadcat choice , he jumps on the bandwagon building against WFT and skates out of the limelight.
To me this is just trying to deflect the attention any where else but on him.
Deadcat. This post bugs me
Post 391
Firstly, although it’s a pity I made the wrong decision in switching from Prof. P to Sario, I can’t regret this too much, as unfortunately he wasn’t being much help and it seemed like the percentage play at the time. Shame Sario didn’t have the time available to play the game which resulted in his downfall.
I’m delighted to see my suspicions of the Prof were vindicated, and it seems at least one other town-aligned person agreed with me. Which is fortunate, as otherwise I suspect I would have spent most of this day arguing for the Prof to be lynched. The fact this is no longer necessary gives us an opportunity to try and sniff out a second wolf
Having it both ways, “hey sorry I voted for Sario, but look how townie I was voting for the Prof and other agreed with me ( what was your case DC?) that the prof was scum, and I would have carried on , other than , you know, voting for town”
Makes me hellishly wary of DC. Although, in his and SNF defense, I don’t see scum getting on an early bus of the Prof. Then again , I have always been wrong in the past.
Anyway that’s where I am right now
Your explanation is way too simple for what happened. This struck me when I was looking back at your posts. It was as if you had not really thought out why you were voting for Sario. The case against Sario, to me, hinged not so much on lurking, but on his not finding anything to talk about (just like Prof P.). When Sario actually did post. he wasn’t looking for Scum (or even who might seem more Town). There are other players who didn’t post a lot, like Octarine, but the posts that did come from some other less prolific posters seemed much more thoughtful to me than Sario’s. And as Sario now admits the game “slipped my mind,” I think such a read is accurate.
It also was Sario not responding as the case slowly built against him and then began picking up speed. Sario’s promises of rereading yielded no content or analysis. He did not try and help himself until too late. This is more than just “lurking.” The case was wrong, but it was there. Your five word comment seemed to me to indicate you really hadn’t thought hard on a real reason for voting for Sario. Yet vote for him you did.
But since this is my evening for apologies, I think I unintentionally misrepresented you in this by not noting that your five-word response was made during the Night, when analysis is against the rules. You could not have really explained more fully to Suburban Plankton at that time. I should have realized that and in fairness taken it into account when I posted my case against you. Of course you now say toDay that you think your five-word post is an accurate summation of the case, so I guess the content of my criticism still seems valid to me.
Now WFTomba, will you please answer a question for me:
Why didn’t you respond at all to HookerChemical’s direct vote against you, instead of reacting so strongly to Astra**l’s supposedly indirect attack?
I completely agree with your detailed outline of the case against Sario. And I think that, if one were asked to give a quick summary of the case – which is the request I was trying to fulfill – “It was mostly for lurking” would be a good one. The fact that it was Night had nothing to do with why I replied that way. What happened was, somebody asked for a short explanation, I gave one, and now you have decided that explanation was scummy because it was too short.
A direct vote is less suspicious than what I thought Astral was doing, which was a sort of subtle stirring of the waters. Furthermore, there is no reason to point out when someone has directly voted for you, because it’s already obvious to everyone. What could I even have said? “Hey, he voted for me!”?
On the other hand, if you think someone is making a subtle push against you, you have to say something about it.
You have a verbose writing style, Biotop. Mine is concise, sometimes verging on laconic. I leave out a lot of stuff I don’t consider important. That’s not a scum tell.
It was night and I was thinking that a super brief summation was appropriate at the time. We’d be able to get into the nitty gritty of how things played out during day, but my understanding is that such discussion isn’t appropriate for Night.
My interpretation is basically the opposite. I was stirring, rapidly switching votes, and looking for flimsy reasons. In part, this was to vote to generate discussion/provoke scum missteps. (Also to emphasize how bad I thought that idea was in your case.) I had 4 or so votes the first day, for progressively stronger reasons. I feel like you were accusing Astral of sowing seeds for harvest much later in the game.
TexCat, I decided to abandon the scoring system later in the first Day because I felt it might end up being more about what score I was giving this or that player, and less about what the player was actually posting. Also the scoring was mostly arbitrary and personal. Your scoring would be different than mine, but mine might be the only one getting posted. After the first time it seemed more a gimmick than a useful tool.
It is interesting for me to note that there is now a slightly higher chance that any given player is Town (almost 73%, if 4 Scum) than before, yet I find myself MORE suspicious of most players, not less. I suppose this is because I have a strong town read on a few players, so that raises the actual odds of others being scum if my town reads are correct.
73% Town is a good to reminder that we only have indications that any given player is Scum or Town, and that the benefit of the doubt should probably still be Town.
WFTomba, I will consider what you have said. I am going to bed now and will mull it all over until I fall asleep. I work tomorrow all day, so if any big developments occur before noon, I may not be around to learn from them or react to them. I will try to peek at my phone when I can.
I would love it if a few of our less prolific players would post thoughts. I mean you guys,** IRConfused** and** Octarine**.
I Unfortunately believe that WF Tomba is town. There is no reason for me to switch from my one off vote. If that makes me look bad then you can point to this post.
I see no reason for it to be unfortunate. Do you?
Can I go look at the Forbidden Thread now? Technically, I’m already dead.