Sorry to see you go, TexCat.
You saved us a whole day by taking out** Prof. Pepperwinkle**, and your awesome post #516 was just as good as a shot in nailing Mahaloth. I think that single post may have ultimately led to his giving up. Well done. We will do our best to avenge you.
Yes, TexCat was definitely on my town list, pity it was a power role but as Biotop says, it was a very good shot. And a brave one to take early in the game, presumably she was as convinced as I was about the Prof’s scuminess. One wonders whether she took another shot on Night 2 but was blocked by Mahaloth, in which case she had no shots left last Night, or didn’t have any strong enough leads so decide to save her shot for a later Night. If the latter though, I would have thought she would have killed last Night (on the assumption that there isn’t another wolf roleblocker, and she would be allowed to carry this out despite her death, which someone suggested earlier is likely the case). So I think the first scenario is probably the correct one. It seems risky to ‘save’ your power until later in the game as you might die before you get to use it, and given she killed at the first opportunity, that supports having another go Night 2. The question is, if that is so, how did Mahaloth know to block her Night 2 shot, and how did scum know to kill her last Night? And how important are these questions anyway? We will see.
In the meantime, on the assumption there were 4 scum to begin with, I think we (town) are in a pretty decent position, all things considered. By my count there are 6 of us to 2 of them, which looks eminently winnable, even if we have no power roles left (which may or may not be the case). So, who’s next? I kind of feel like we have lynched all those who had a clear-cut case against them (even though that case turned out to be wrong in respect of Sario and WFTomba), so here’s where it really gets tricky. I’ll try to do another post shortly with a few pertinent quotes.
Crap, I’m apparently still blocked from quoting at work, so I’ll have to save further thoughts for later.
I find this (partial) quote from TexCat interesting:
Since we know now that TexCat knew exactly who the Vig was going to attack, how do we interpret this?
I’m assuming that all Night Kills resolve simultaneously, to that if TexCat had targeted someone last Night, they would have been killed (barring blocks, protections, etc.). So either
[ul]
[li]TexCat decided not to attack HookerChemical as she hinted she would[/li][li]The Scum have a second Roleblocker[/li][li]The Scum have a Doctor[/li][li]We have a Jailor (prevents actions from being taken against their target), who could be Town or Scum[/li][li]Something else I haven’t thought of[/li][/ul]
The first option is by far the most likely…but that leaves us with the next question: why didn’t she attack HookerChemical?
TexCat only placed four different votes all game. Day 1 she voted very early for Biotop, then switched to Prof P. Days 2 and 3 she voted for WF Tomba and Mahaloth, respectively. So there’s not a whole lot to go on from her posts at this point; perhaps a reread will turn up something more.
And, of course, as a Vigilante, she would’t have any ‘special’ information, so there may not be anything there in any case. I’m not prepared just yet to say “Hooker must be Scum because the Vig called him out, and then got killed”…it’s rarely that easy.
TexCat was an experienced townie who was solidly in everybody’s “town” list. The only thing I find surprising is that she was the vigilante and that I’m alive.
WF Tomba died fingering Dante, and TexCat died fingering me. With that in mind, Dante gets a nudge to my #2 candidate:
VOTE IRCONFUSED
I’ll have more breakdown coming, but that’s what my gut says this morning.
We’ve had three nights, so I’m hopeful that we have at least one investigatory role. Monday/Tuesday isn’t the time to tell us the wagon is on the right person, so don’t claim this early (i.e. Monday/Tuesday - it shuts down discussion), but late Thursday and Friday won’t leave enough time.
How common would it be for a 15 player game to not have a town investigatory role?
Suburban Plankton, I already mentioned another possibility - we know TexCat was a two-shot vigilante, obviously (well, almost certainly) she used her first shot killing Prof P Night 1, maybe she used her second and final shot Night 2 but was blocked by Mahaloth? Or would that not count as using up her second shot? Surely it would?
That being the case, that’s my most likely scenario, and I think she speculated about there being a vigilante (knowing full well it was her) in the hope it would draw the wolves’ attention away from her, which unfortunately didn’t work.
Another (unlikely) scenario is that she and the wolves both targeted PCM on Night Two. I think it’s unlikely because PCM wasn’t on the radar as scum, but it’s possible.
That would be a question for the mod, but I would think that if a player was blocked, then their action wouldn’t count as ‘used’ because they were blocked from using it. Contrast that with the scenario where the Vig attacks someone who was protected; in that case, the ability would be ‘used’, just unsuccessful.
But as I said, it’s a mod-call.
Ah, good point - being a newbie, I hadn’t realised there was a distinction between ‘blocked’ and ‘protected’. I guess the mod is unlikely to answer if we asked him, so I won’t bother. It does bring up the possibility that the wolves have someone with a ‘protection’ power, which could be why TC only notched up one kill.
Posting from the lunchroom…
I am playing in a team bridge game tonight so I probably cannot do a substantive post until tomorrow after work.
I am saddened but not surprised by the loss of TexCat. She seemed as probable a Town player as we could have without knowing for certain.
HookerChemical, **TexCat **said you were her vote for ToDay. Do you have a response to her post?
TexCat’s case against me is based on my defense of Prof P. I responded to this in Post 435, but if there are specifics you’d like me to address, I can. I made the wrong vote Day One, but so did Astral and WF Tomba. Astral’s take on Prof P seemed similar to mine, which isn’t surprising given that the three of us (Prof P, Astral, and myself) were the last three alive in the previous game of mafia.
The other aspect, related to my defense of Prof P is Dead Cat and my description of his posts as “combative.” I also address Dead Cat briefly in Post 435, but I can expand on that vote. By Post 227, I had come around, in part based on the reread I promised and in part based on your Post 211. I’m fairly new to Mafia, but the “I’ll die on this hill” post by Dead Cat paralleled a post from the previous game where town swore to die on a hill as well (Mosier accusing Astral, IIRC). So while the initial read of DC’s post was that it was unnecessarily combative and meant to sow dissent, my reread reframed it and I unvoted Dead Cat. Since then, Dead Cat has been moving steadily toward the “not scum” side of my ledger. (Perhaps I’m getting complacent, but the last reread for Dead Cat I did was based on PCM’s “last will” noting Post 391, which doesn’t give me the same scummy vibes.)
There’s also the accusation of trying to start a bandwagon on IRC to protect Prof P. I don’t think the timeline and vote counts works well for that theory. I got off the Dead Cat vote at Post 227. Sario had 2 votes on him at the time (IRConfused, Prof P). I lingered without a vote on anybody until Post 246, when I voted for IRC. By that time, Sario had 4 votes (snfaulkner and Astral having voted between 227 and 246) while IRC had only one (Octarine, Post 160). If I was trying to build a bandwagon to save Professor P, I picked a very illogical target while another bandwagon had already formed. Then, by the end of the Day, I made the mistake of joining the Sario bandwagon.
TexCat also sees me as trying to fish for the identity of the investigator, but I’m not. The investigator is perhaps the only person I’m not interested in hearing from. Anybody can put out ideas, and the investigator only has to listen. An investigator could also throw out misinformation if they think it would throw scum off the trail. I’ll also note that I did this last game when I was town. Furthermore, I throw Mahaloth out as a likely target for an investigation. While it was because I was having a hard time getting a read on him, it would have been a very useful investigation. (See Post 300 for more of my concern about Mahaloth. It felt like he was playing a very different game from the rest of us. Days One and Two, it earned some raised eyebrows, but it was too much to let go Day Three where TexCat and I raised some of the same issues in posts one minute apart [Post 517 and 518].)
Biotop, as the target of Mahaloth’s throwaway vote on D3, I hope you don’t put much weight on his throwaway vote against me Day Two.
I’m not sure how looking at what the Nightkilled PCM said and using as a basis for my vote the next day is a scummy action. I had already voiced concerns about Dante, so looking at PCM’s death, PCM’s accusations against Dante, and my previous suspicions, Dante was the logical vote at the time. He’s still on my scum shortlist.
There is also the possibility that Texcats ability was on a every other night use setting. As a mod, JohnnyB can tweak the roles however he wants.
Speaking of roles, in regards to Hooker Chemicals question - in a game this size I would say it is highly uncommon for us to not have a investigative role of some sort.
Checking in for the first time since last week.
First of all, whew! We finally got a lynch right!
Second, sorry to see TexCat go, and good shot on Night 1! I too am a bit confused on what happened to her 2nd shot tho. Also, I’m not too sure i understand what “Macho” means. mafiascum will have to be consulted again, but that will have to wait a bit until I have more time.
I think it was just Johnny’s poetic licence - I doubt there’s much difference between a vigilante and a macho vigilante.
Per the wiki, macho means they can’t be protected (e.g. by a doctor). It says it’s most common for a cop, but not exclusive to that role. (Macho - MafiaWiki)
Does anybody else still think Mahaloth’s confession was weird. I’m not buying that he somehow thought it was just about to be End of Day. He is not a newbie. If the confession was to stifle discussion, well…he sure did a lot of discussing himself afterwards. He didn’t even try very hard on a defense. While the case against him was strong, it was not “obvious.” We have already seen on Day 1 a near certain lynch of a wolf turn in another direction. So what really happened yesterDay?
I agree, Bio.
It’s almost as if he had some kind of weird post restriction where he had to post/talk that way. But that doesn’t make sense because it wasn’t mentioned in his death reveal by JB and he never really posted in a weird way until after his confession.
Regardless, it was just odd.
To keep things going here, Vote HookerChemical.
Texcat has mentioned a few things regarding Hooker’s “defense” of Prof. P early in the game. I’m willing to give Hooker somewhat of a pass in that maybe it was just a bad decision to defend PP, but there is enough other things out there that rub me and others the wrong way when it comes to Hooker.
Observation: Mahaloth’s confession got both snfaulkner and Dante unvoted in favor of him. Apart from just being tired of playing, it’s possible that Mahaloth figured he was the most obvious wolf, and by sacrificing himself he could give stealthier ones longer lifespans.
Also, this post, in which Mahaloth seems to group Dante and snfaulkner with himself, isn’t doing them any favors:
Thanks!
I wouldn’t read too much into that post. It’s from a known wolf, so must be taken with a grain of salt. For a wolf to give up the other wolves like that would be a truly egregious misplay. Unless that’s what he wants us to think. So clearly I cannot drink the wine in front of me…
Like I said, take his post with salt. While Dante and snfaulkner are in my top three candidates for the last two wolves, I’m voting IRConfused as the most likely wolf.
Though the unvoting of snfaulkner and Dante is a good observation, I don’t think the theory that Mahaloth was protecting them by confessing holds up when you look at the timing. I pulled my vote from Dante to put the third vote on Mahaloth, and I don’t think there was another vote on Dante at the time. snfaulkner was in a little more trouble than Dante, but hardly dire straights. Prior to the confession, Biotop was the only voter on him. He’s been on many “potential scum” lists and certainly had the potential to rack up votes, but it wasn’t actually happening. Mahaloth’s power role makes it look even less like a sacrifice and more like a mistake.