If you are American and hate Trump, why? Is it his covid handling, wall, or other policies.
Would you dismiss anyone who voted for him as ‘bad’, and why?
I don’t personally hate Trump, but strongly oppose him. The guy is worse than incompetent; he seems to think that reality is what he makes or wants it to be. Like how he did not want a ship with Covid patients docking at port because it would “increase the Covid numbers” (this was around February).
I want my president to be someone who is mature. Trump is a 70-year old with the maturity of a 7-year old, and the tweeting style of one, too.
I would not dismiss everyone who votes for Trump as bad, because I know plenty who are good people. But many if not most of his voters cannot have an honest grasp of his flaws. If they were to say, “Well, I know his flaws but I accept them,” that would be one thing - but many don’t even see that they are flaws at all.
Thanks for the reply.
Re the stopping of the boat docking, haven’t quite a few countries had to do the same? And being in February, making decisions like this so early in the pandemic suggests that at least he wasn’t behind the curve of the virus at that time?
I agree about the tweeting.
Good question.
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I’m from NYC/NJ and have known what an ass Trump is since at least the 80s. He’s nothing but a snake oil salesman in the end. Consistently screwed over small contractors and investors along the way.
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I cringe at his talking and the idiocy that flows from his twitter account.
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His handling of COVID elevates him to a very dangerous wanna-be despot.
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The Wall, the wall is just a bad joke. More of his being a snake oil salesman. But the race bating behind it is dangerous and setting the country back several decades in race relations.
No, I don’t mean Trump was trying to stop the boat from docking to prevent infection spread; his objection was that he wanted numbers to be manipulated to look better. Like his statement, “If you test less, the numbers won’t be so high.” That was the most flabbergastingly, shocking, appalling statement of his entire presidency, IMO. Like someone saying, “as long as I don’t take my temperature, I don’t have a 104-degree fever.”
Trump’s people wanted people to get infected with Covid-19 to bring about “herd immunity.” This goes beyond incompetentcy and borders on criminal negligence to me.
Sweden did the same, UK and Johnson wanted to do herd immunity at first and u-turned.
Trump wanting to do it doesn’t seem like it should make him so despised by so many, but fair enough that’s a good reason.
Let’s just say that, of all the jerkish, ridiculous, and/or self-serving things that he has done, and things that have made people dislike him and his administration, this particular one is pretty low on the list.
I’ve hated him for decades. I hated him long before his name was in any way associated with electoral politics. He’s a belligerent thug of the coarsest and crudest type, the poster child for toxic masculinity. He makes my toenails curl in revulsion. He has always believed that might makes right and that anyone who can push other people around is better than the people who get pushed. Although this is about personality and interactive personal behavior, it IS political ultimately — anyone with those beliefs and those behaviors at the micro level is going to carry them into how they behave in the conventional political sphere, so I knew he’d be spectacularly awful as a president or any other authoritative position, but I found him utterly disgusting long before that.
Would I dismiss anyone who voted for him? Not “dismiss”, no. I’d suspect them of harboring beliefs about appropriate behavior and interactive strategies that I don’t share, though. I’d be particularly suspicious that they embrace notions of masculinity and manliness that really ought to be scoured from the collective mind of our species for once and for all. But you can’t affect people that you dismiss, or at least you cannot affect them very much or very often.
I don’t agree that this repeated claim was the most awful of his comments. If you look the surrounding comments, what he was trying to claim was that we have a lot of confirmed cases only because we are testing more than other countries. That we look worse than we really are, relative to other countries.
It was a lie, but that only puts it into the same category as everything that occurs when his lips are moving.
The details of Trump’s “policy” with regard to COVID doesn’t matter. What’s abundantly clear is that the only thing that upsets him about COVID is that it made him look bad.
He’s so obviously a narcissistic psychopath. Whether people lived or died only ever mattered because of the consequences for him.
The President of the United States has been referred to as “The Leader of the Free World.” I took leadership training for my job; I know what leaders should do, how they should act, how they should actually lead.
Trump is not a leader. He curries favor with his base and antagonizes everyone else, all while grandstanding. He is not a unifier, he is a divider. He promotes his own cult of personality and if you don’t buy into that cult, you are ridiculed, demeaned, pointed out and name-called. He claims to be against the swamp, but his actions don’t show him to be a better person, a bigger person. He is vain, petulant, and has what appears to be virtually no self control. He is boorish, he is crass, he is nouveau riche and tasteless. He can’t even lead in that regard.
His followers may not be bad people per se, but a number of his ardent supporters that I know well are outspoken racists, really believe that whole “good people on both sides” malarkey, and have no trouble vocally demonizing those who do not agree with them in social situations (including at a memorial service). Again, I’m sure not all his supporters are like that, but the random sampling I know are precisely like that: deeply unpleasant and unwilling to see themselves for what they are.
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So he’s greedy, good reason not to love him but I think it’s fair to say a good deal of leaders have been self-serving and didnt get the same level of hate.
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Yeah, I can’t understand how none of his advisors have got him to stop?
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I don’t know about going that far. I don’t think many countries have handled covid well. He’s just had little apology for his opinion and been blunt. Immature yes but still I don’t see how his covid plan has garnered so much hate? Perhaps I’m just in the minority here.
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Agreed. He clearly felt as though he needed the wall to win voters but he could have been strong on immigration without the ridiculous wall.
He is a despicable human being. Starting from his campaign in 2016, where he was making fun of a disabled reporter, to insulting veterans and Red-Star parents. He “hits down” - he strikes at those of a lower level than himself to get revenge / demean / etc. I want my President to act presidential. You can argue against the actions of AOC without insulting her, or telling her to “go back where she came from” (um, she was born in New York, so she is back where she came from).
He is a snake oil salesman. He has a trail of failed business, and still is somehow considered a “great businessman”. I suppose that the entire Trump Casino thing was great business, in that he built this cash factory without maintaining it in the least. He declared “bankruptcy” on the deal by writing off depreciation on the building (caused by lack of maintenance) and fudging the numbers. Yeah, overall I’m sure he made a killing on it, but it looks stupid as hell when he was “losing” money on a casino - the odds are in the houses favor, how can you lose?
He is entirely self-serving. There is not a single thing he did in office that did not financially benefit him, either directly (tax cuts), secondarily (installing 3 very conservative Supreme Court justices and umpteen gawdzilion judges), or indirectly (improving his chances of re-election). I’m not naive - I don’t think Obama became President because he thought the country was severely misrun by the Bush administration, but while in office, I do believe that a majority of his actions were what he truly thought were for the betterment of the country.
Your first question is just spectacularly broad. I mean, you know there have been threads hating on Trump that have been closed because the board software can’t handle the number of replies, right? The reasons are exhaustively cataloged elsewhere, if you’re interested in reading about them.
Your second question is more complicated. For myself I draw some distinction between those who vote Republican just out of lifelong habit, along with those who vote with their nose held because they fear Democrats – and those who see the man’s character and actions on display these last five years and say “YES MORE PLEASE WE LOVE THIS.” Those people in the last group are Bad, sure, easy call.
I didn’t know that, I don’t really care. They can delete it now. I just wanted to ask my own questions because I couldn’t ask them in the other thread.
Here is what an ardent supporter of Trump had to say today (video):
I didn’t address this.
I know people who voted for him. Some are close friends, others not so much. Oddly enough they have different reasons.
My oldest friend hates illegal immigrants and is sure they’re taking all the jobs. He supports Trump, twice for this reason primarily. He’s not very smart or well educated, but overall is well meaning and a hell of a guy to have your back in a dicey situation.
Another friend supports Trump and the only reason this well educated, retiree supports him I can gather is that he watches too much Fox. He probably my #2 drinking buddy.
An acquaintance is a gun nut and just won’t vote Dem at all. He even acknowledges how terrible trump is but puts gun rights ahead of everything else. He’s not a bad guy, but his attitude irritates the hell out of me.
It goes on like that. Different people have different world views. Voting for Trump doesn’t = evil or that they’re bad people, but it is harder to defend those that voted for him both times.
Modhat: This post is bordering on Junior Modding. This is a concise pair of questions and worthy of polite discussion. Please don’t post like this again.
This is just a guidance, not a warning. Nothing on your permanent record.
I do apologize, to you and the OP – did not mean to be impolite.