One of my granddaughters intends to marry a hardcore TrumpSucker soon, and Mrs. Watering and I have been getting a bit of flack about not supporting the mariage. Both she and her mother (my daughter) are not at all politically educated, don’t follow or read news, and don’t understand why Mrs. Watering and I are so adamant about our beliefs.
It would be nice if there were a compendium of reasons here on the Dope about why the Melon Felon is such a bad and despicable president and person, in one thread, that I can point to and say “Read This And You Might Get A Clue.”
Given enough time and thought, I could articulate most of the best reasons why CFSG is so awful, but I might not do such a great job on a simple phone call.
It occured to me that far brighter and more focused Dopers than me could express my disdain for the Orange Shitbag with way more eloquence than I.
One recent one that is about tossing babies with the bathwater:
Many Venezuelans will be deported (about 348,202 recipients because they will be stripped of their legal status in April.
All because, with no evidence shown yet, about 2000 Venezuelan gang members may had been identified and many deported already, if the administration is correct.
You bet a lot of Venezuelan families (with babies too) that fled bad countries will be sent to very dangerous locations with less resources too, even if the bad ones are already being round up. Sending away people that are innocent of what he claims he is taking care off already, is a cruel and racist move IMHO.
I understand your point, but it’s already too late. And I don’t need a script. They are not educated and I just need them to understand why our feelings are so strong.
Read/listen to the news every day about the current administration, and know how it can effect the OP nd the OP’s family.
Do this for only one week and then ask yourself:
“Does it sound okay?”
You won’t be able to convince them of the correctness of your views. Good luck. My preference is to just say something short to try to avoid the conversation. Maybe as blunt as, “I despise the man and his policies. I have not heard a reason to support him that wasn’t ignorant, evil, or just mean. If we are not able to discuss something else, I will have to excuse myself/hang up.”
Trump is pathologically unable to ever admit that he was wrong or mistaken.
A classic example of this is the “Central Park Five” case – a female jogger was assaulted and raped in Central Park in NYC in 1989; five young men of color were arrested, and confessed to the crime (though their confessions were likely coerced, and the young men had not been read their Miranda rights)..
Shortly after their confessions were made, Trump placed a now-infamous full-page ad in the New York newspapers about it, in which he demanded the death penalty be reinstated.
The five were convicted, and it’s believed by many that Trump’s ad may have been a factor in the jury verdicts. However, in 2002, a different person actually confessed to the crime, and the Five’s convictions were vacated, and their records cleared.
All of this didn’t matter to Trump. He has never apologized, and as recently as last year (during the presidential debates), he has continued to claim that they pled guilty (they did not), that they were the ones who committed the crime, and that they should not have been exonerated.
Trump helped to damage the lives of five innocent young men, and even twenty-plus years after the courts determined that they were, in fact, wrongly charged, and were innocent of the crime, he cannot help but double-down on his original statements, and continue to spread lies about them.
I know that’s not possible for hardcore TrumpSuckers, but as I said, my daughter and granddaughter are simply ignorant. I would like for them to know why we have our opinions.
And what’s really at stake.
Okay. Seems honorable on your part.
But remember Grand-daughter loves this Trumper. She’s marrying him, after all.
Guess who’s side she’s gonna be on?
Guess who’s side your daughter will be on?
You’ll be the loser, they’ll not believe.
Either they’ll cut-off contact or you’ll be so frustrated you will. You are just gonna have to find a way to live with it, in the end. If you want them in your life.
I’m personally waiting on the slap in the face of reality all the Trumpers will wake up with one fine morning.
They plan on doing the slapping, no matter what the actual facts are.
To the OP: Does this possible marriage material plan on toning it down the way you are expected to tone it down? Does he believe in actual cooperation, or the Republican version (we take, and the Democrats give)?