Trump and Harris agree to September 10th ABC debate - Watch Along Starts at Post 431

I finally finished watching the debate and have had time to ponder it.

It strikes me that Harris is not a natural improv speaker. She is not the smooth orator of Obama or Walz or Shapiro. She struggled a bit to transition her thoughts. She relied too heavily on catch phrases.

However, where she did well was connecting with her audience when she could engage emotionally. Abortion was a great topic, hitting on the litany of personal stories of harm by the destruction of Roe and ensuing ill-considered anti-abortion legislation.

She also did well talking about her own childhood and connecting on how expensive things are.

I would have liked to see a bit less deflection, a bit more considered and reasoned answers that explained her positions.

But Harris picked a different strategy. And it wasn’t just about insulting Trump, it served a legitimate purpose.

Trump has been something of a bizarre case in debate history. His method has been from the early days in 2015 to run with ugly nicknames and insults. So far, that has worked all for him. He has managed to capture a lot of sort support with his targeted attacks. And anyone who has tried to respond in kind has suffered.

Even the candidates who haven’t stooped to his level have been tripped up by giving his shots too much credibility.

What Harris managed was a masterstroke in finding the one hidden path through the labyrinth. She took the debate to Trump in just the right way to wind him up and push his buttons.

That had a couple of key strategic wins for her.

First, by playing the right topics, by responding to the question and then diverting to Trump with a pointed question or comment, it really put off his game. He couldn’t focus, as much as Trump can ever focus, on the issues that he could land points. She totally distracted him from any coherent criticism into raging fits. She got him wasting time on bragging and arguing over crowd size and not discussing inflation or the Afghanistan withdrawal.

Second, she showed his rants don’t phase her. She belittles him by dismissing him.

Third, and this is especially important, she showed how easily Trump can be manipulated. Sure, she did it with disdain instead of flattery, and got hostility instead of compliance, but she demonstrated her point which she do poignantly summed up about how Putin would eat him for lunch.

What she accomplished was to turn the tables. You know how there was rightwing talk about how weak she was? The weak with foreign leaders, weak with generals in the Situation Room? Well this just showed she is not an indecisive weak person who will be walked all over.

That was the ultimate value of this strategy. Anyone who tries to claim she cannot be strong, that she will be a pushover, just had that demonstrably disproven.

So the wins are

  1. Trump is unhinged and shouldn’t be allowed in control again.

  2. Trump is old and should be pitied, not praised.

  3. Harris is smart.

  4. Harris is no pushover.

  5. Harris has a positive plan to help Americans, Trump only has grievances and revenge.

Also considered that this format has stopped being a platform for sharing big ideas, or especially reasoned explanations for behaviors and changing positions. Those just set up soundbite and meme fodder to be used against you.

My hope is that she can get some help with practicing more natural responses. Then she will take on some more interviews, where she will take on more nuanced answers to those questions about changing political positions. How things went wrong with Afghanistan. Why the high inflation is not her fault and why her economic plan will get prices down and wages up.

Because they like what he’s done, what he says and how he thinks and want more of it. They want the bigotry, the cruelty, the stupidity, the ignorance, the harm done to millions of people. They want more of it.

It may drive everyone else away, but the people who follow him love and admire the very things most people here on SD condemn.

As for the famous “undecided”, I expect most of them are people who always intended to vote for Trump but don’t want to publicly admit it; or people who have a Trumpist watching them they are afraid to answer the question honestly around (as as the Trumpist husbands who want to follow their wife as she votes to make sure she “votes right”). Not people who are actually undecided, not at this point.

You can’t please all the people all the time, and nothing Harris did would please diehard Trump supporters. Obviously, the right thing for Harris to do was to take the debate seriously and practice heavily. Sure, some lines were obviously rehearsed and some opportunities were missed. But this does not matter. Harris ate Trump’s lunch. Others will be able to use similar strategies. And Harris greatly changed how she is perceived. No matter what criticisms rise from the swamp.

Okay, that’s legit funny.

I really don’t know why any news outlet reports these statements from Trump as if they mean anything. An editor at the Wall Street Journal could cover his eyes, flip through a dictionary, and drop his finger on a random word, and it would mean as much as a prediction or a promise from Donald Trump.

A little more fact-checking from overseas. I agree with Harris that most world leaders are laughing at Trump.

If no one else has posted this, it has been reported Trump actually was complimenting her on her debate performance when they shook hands on 9/11.

“Good job,” he said.

Not sure what she said.

If so, that’s an amazingly off-brand action on his part; he seems to reserve compliments for people whom he thinks can and will do something for him.

He did the same during a Clinton debate. The question was: Say something nice about each other.

Clinton: (canned) He has nice children. [Something nice, but not nice]

Trump: Hillary is a skilled tough opponent. [I’m paraphrasing but it was very complimentary and answered the question directly…now, I’d love to see what he actually said and if I’m remembering it right after so many years.]

(Media). Trump performed well, as he did not visibly soil himself and as far as we could tell, did not bite the head off a live bat. Overall, above average for him”

Also playing the memory game and not searching - I remember her comment was more nice, like “it’s obvious his children love him and came out well so he’s a good parent” or something similar.

This appears to be the transcript of their full replies to that question, from Vanity Fair. You have the gist of it, though Clinton’s full response was at least somewhat complimentary of Trump himself.

Maybe he’s fishing for a pardon.

And, lessee, who was it wanting another debate after Trump-Biden?

Facebook is alive with posters making fun of trumps ridiculous pet eating claim. He crossed over into total insanity with that one.

Oddly, that one comment may have cost him the election.

Eh, Facebook is always an echo chamber.

Probably something like “Excuse me, I need to go wash my hands.”

Thank you for that. I think I had it fairly right. I remember in the moment how authentic he came across (his answer was not prepared).

And I didn’t intentionally mean to dismiss Hillary, just super-paraphrasing to get to Trumps response.

Exactly my thought when I saw the video of that interaction.

Where did you see this?