If he does fire him, it’s not out of the question that the independent counsel might be reestablished.
So why exactly do you think that there are suddenly all these right-wingers–Ann Coulter, Newt Gingrich, Chris Ruddy, and so on–who suddenly have decided independently that Trump should fire Mueller?
And while we’re on the subject, what do you think? You’re a right winger. Should Trump fire the obviously biased Mueller? If he did fire Mueller, what would you think about it? Would you think it was a good idea? A good idea, but he shouldn’t do it because the liberals will take it the wrong way? A bad idea because Mueller is going to exonerate everyone anyway?
Congress would bring back the Independent Council. Republicans would have to put it through to protect themselves in 2018. I hope someone tells him he can’t do it so he will.
Most ominous username/post combo.
Unless Trump is on board that would take a 2/3rds majority in both house of Congress, and I can’t imagine him ever signing that bill.
The comrade you are talking to simply wants to see the country burn. So he’s all for whatever will cause the most damage.
I think it might be the last straw if he fires Mueller. While he may not have all the Republicans come out against him over it, I would not be surprised if they could cobble together a 2/3 vote to take the investigation out of his control.
I understand why you say that but I think you’re dreaming. I’ve seen nothing to make me believe McConnell or Ryan would allow it to come to the floor for a vote much less overriding a Trump veto.
Newt?
Send pictures of the bridges. Maybe we can make a deal? If you actually have evidence that you own a bridge.
Ruddy mentions that it’s probably/possible that Trump will fire Mueller based on something he heard a Trump lawyer say the day before. The lame stream media should have made the effort to determine what Ruddy actually heard, or thought he had heard BEFORE they began their rumor-mongering campaign. Ruddy hadn’t talked to Trump about firing Mueller. Trump hadn’t talked to Ruddy about firing Mueller.
But the media-driven effort for everyone to discuss Mueller’s firing became a very popular topic of conversation.
You ever heard of a trial balloon?
In any case, you studiously avoided answering my question. Should Trump fire Mueller, and why or why not?
Ahem, I still believe that the news media outlets are having their usual anti-Trump field day without any evidence to back up their horseshit.
Currently, it seems that everyone and their mother must have an opinion concerning Trump’s non-firing of Mueller BECAUSE the lame stream media keeps asking everyone and their mother questions about Trump’s non-firing of Mueller. The news media outlets were/are the ones who were/are driving this non-story story.
Personally, I see no reason to fire Mueller. Nor do I see any actual, factual, evidence that Trump wanted to fire Mueller.
In the Senate, maybe. Not a chance in the House.
I think Trump will do whatever he thinks he can to protect himself, including firing Mueller and anyone else who gets in his way. He has already made it very clear he doesn’t want anyone to investigate him for anything, and he will do what he can to stop it. He has tweeted, interviewed, and fired people all over the objections of his handlers and I don’t see how that’s going to suddenly change. The stakes will continue to rise, but I don’t think that will change his behavior.
As for what finally becomes the last straw, I think we probably already know that it’ll probably come down to whether Republicans fear losing the election. Before that, it comes down to whether they fear becoming a politically paralyzed party that can’t follow through on its agenda. Nobody can say when exactly that moment of truth arrives, but I’d say that we’re not that far off. Firing Comey set off a good month of distractions from which Trump has still not yet recovered – firing Mueller (and anyone else such as Rosenstein) would set off another month or so of nonstop controversy. I already get the sense that the Senate, the more independent of the two bodies, is beginning to lose its patience with Trump, though the House is more complicated.
I’ll say keep your eyes on the House race in Metro Atlanta. If Ossof can somehow pull off the improbable upset, that will send shockwaves throughout the party to the point where even his defenders in the House would have to take notice. The Republicans don’t want to head into next winter and spring at a fundraising disadvantage and they’d rather not have to fend off grassroots campaigns against them.
But what does he do when all these people he has fired are then asked to go and speak to senate committees? Can he really risk that?
You’re still assuming that the republicans in congress give even the slightest shit about Trump’s misdeeds.
Not really, I’m saying you will have people that know a few secrets sitting there with the opportunity to very publicly say something that could be very damaging to Trump.
Its too simple to say that Republicans won’t care, there will certainly be limits to that apathy and if a bitter Sessions says something that can’t be ignored then it won’t be ignored.
There’s nothing Trump could do that would lead to the Senate removing him from office so long as there are 40+ GOP Senators.
Part of the reason for that is all the same reasons Trump got elected–ideology, partisanship, a fractured media landscape, the inability for truth to penetrate political bubbles. But another big part of that is that there won’t be much pressure from top Democrats, because it’s bad politics. Campaigning on healthcare and against a weakened Trump is a much more effective pitch for winning back House/Senate seats than a drive to put Pence in office or a drive against Pence. I suspect Schumer and others see that too.
Have y’all seen this one yet?
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The news media outlets reported that a longtime personal friend of Trump’s said Trump was considering firing Mueller, and that several high-profile Trump supporters including Newt Gingrich and Ann Coulter opined that he should do just that. The evidence to back up this “horseshit” includes the public statements made by each of these people.
If you have your own evidence disproving the “horseshit” that these people said these things about Trump, I’m sure we’d all appreciate your presenting it. It would be quite the scoop.
I saw the original clip. I did not read other articles about it, because I already saw the original clip (primary source), and figured it would be a repeat. It was very clear the the clip that I saw (without wider context, I admit) that he thought Trump was probably considering firing Mueller based on what Trump’s lawyer said to the media, and that he indicated no first-hand knowledge or discussion with Trump. I know a lot of internet commenters thought he absolutely must have had Trump’s okay before saying that. But I don’t really know how the media reported it - did they say in their articles that he said he was basing his opinion on public statements by Trump’s lawyer? Because that would have been the responsible way to report on the matter.
While there was no actual indication that it was anything but speculation, I understand the media reporting on it. They’ve reported on speculation many times. Like the interviews with Trump’s biographer. Gets eyeballs and ad dollars, even if frustrating for me.
But like Trevor Noah said, it’s fun to talk about the implications of Trump firing Mueller, even if we don’t have a strong indication he will. He already fired Comey, and the Nixon comparisons write themselves. And big is exciting is gossip-worthy.