Trump Compared to Jesus Christ

It just isn’t that simple. Who controls the pulpit and/or the power-The assholes or the non-assholes?

Among most Christian denominations, the answer is “nobody”. At least, not on a large scale.

What is claimed to be Christianity today is very very different from that of 100 years ago. Simply put, those who reject Trump and MAGA will be seen as apostates by the newest iteration of American Christianity. Who am I to say that they’re wrong? They’re in the vast majority anyway

You say that as if this isn’t who they have always been. The “demon” of the moment shifts, and they’ve gotten more organized and empowered, but the drive behind it has not changed. The leaders need them to fear the outside, so they stay and give power and resources to the leaders. If there is no “outside” to fear, they will make one–I watched this play out over and over in microcosm, as Baptist churches fought, schismed, briefly reunited to libel Catholics, then schismed again back in the 1970s and 80s.

“Nobody is really at fault” vagaries aside, major denominations often have controlling councils that have the ability to kick out those that stray. It is hard for a family to decide to leave a church and the accompanying social structure it oft provides just because the leaders of that church have strayed from what used to be basic values, but it is even harder for a particular church to leave its family because politics have turned sour.
To say that nobody is really in power when it comes to organized religion just isn’t true for most organized religion.

What are you basing this on?!

Republicans dominate the Mormon sect, and have the majority of the Evangelical sect. They are a minority among other sects.

And this is just Republican folks, of which only a subset are going to support, let alone venerate Trump.

There are some wacky assumptions going on in this thread, of some monolithic Trump-worship that has taken over American Christianity. Leave the conspiracy theories to Qanon.

This hasn’t been my experience at all among Protestants.

Catholics and Mormons, sure. And there may be some other sects that operate that way. But much of American Christianity isn’t so hierarchical.

That U.S. Religious Landscape Study was conducted in 2014, though.

Fair enough, this is slightly newer, but still old.

I’m having trouble finding anything newer, it’s possible they haven’t run these sorts of polls in the past few years. But there is no way that it flipped so hard in less than a decade. I still push back on the idea that Christianity as a whole is dominated by Trump-followers. There is nothing to back that up.

The article’s from 2016, but it says it’s using data from the 2014 survey previously mentioned.

Are we including Baptists as evangelical?
I know a lot of Baptists and they report the churches they attend are vastly filled with Republicans. Some ardent Trumpers. Some not quite as bad.

Okay, my point still stands. I can’t see Trump taking over the entire religion like that. That’s a fantasy.

Here’s some more recent polling from 2020 that supports your assertion.

Black voters overwhelmingly supported Biden in 2020, regardless of how often they attend religious services.

Among White voters, it’s only evangelical Protestants that are overwhelmingly Trump supporters:

And that tracks because that’s the group most often cited when I see stories about Trump’s Christian base. I also believe that the Christian nationalist movement comes largely from there as well.

On a personal note, they freak me out. :frowning_face:

It seems most “evangelicals” are embracing Trump. I would call them nutbags. You can decide what you call them.

Trump garnered even more support in 2020 than in 2016 among White voters who identified as evangelical Protestants in both years and voted in at least one of the two elections.

I’m not quite sure what you’re saying. But there isn’t a club or hobby involved in my cousins’ case. I call then Evangelicals due to the type of Christianity they believe in—with the Bible being the inerrant Word of God and such. Not because they belong to some particular church that calls itself Evangelical.

From the belief perspective, it is the Trump followers who have already strayed. They’re the ones who should stop calling themselves Evangelicals, since they no longer adhere to the beliefs that is required.

That said, there very much is the exvangelical movement. But that’s largely made up of people who not only disagree about Trump, but have seen the other baggage of the Evangelicals. I would almost count as one, except that I was technically raised Pentecostal. But it is the stuff that Pentecostals and Evangelicals have in common (but other forms of Christianity do not) that I have abandoned. So some would call me an exvangelical.

Just to add:

See my post above. Also, the one from @Whack-a-Mole

Generally speaking, many Baptist churches (such as those aligned with the Southern Baptist Convention) would consider themselves to be Evangelical.

I suspect that this is particularly true of Baptist churches in the Southern U.S., especially those whose congregants are primarily White.

I’ve read them. They don’t change what I said. They self-identify as Evangelicals. But, from a belief perspective (i.e. not self-identification), they’re the ones abandoning Evangelicalism.

The concept of “Evangelical Christian” has a particular meaning, and a set of established beliefs that come with it.

And your response to @Atamasama didn’t rebut anything they said, either. I don’t even see what connection you see between what they said and your response.

Considering that Trump had been a Democrat until fairly recently before his run, I was genuinely surprised at some of the things that he did in office. On some points, he “out-Republicaned” ALL of the recent Republican presidents. Case in point–moving the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. The Republicans claimed that they wanted to do it–but somehow they never actually did it. Not until Trump came along did empty promises get turned into action.