Trump indicted

Well, given that the Ochre Joker bothered to cash a 13-cent check when Spy magazine sent out piddling checks to various people to see who would cash them, I’d say it’s definitely worth a shot.

Not that again. No he didn’t. Some accountant that he never met did and he was certainly unaware of it.

I was a subscriber to Spy at the time.

That one’s new to me. :smile:

‘Joker’ implies an expert level of intended hilariousness. So, I personally don’t think Ochre Joke qualifies.

To me, “Joker” implies an Omega-level psychotic criminal who recklessly and indiscriminately kills large numbers of people, just for giggles or their own twisted “logic.” Also lots of badly-applied make-up.

Ochre Joker seems to fit just fine.

Mob cases

I served on a grand jury investigating allegations of police corruption, and they were really worried about interference with the witnesses (many of whom were police officers negotiating plea bargains.) We literally met in secret, in a part of the building that was closed due to construction.

Excellent.

Maybe he’ll get the chance to lead the band from the inside.

A friend of mine was on a Federal grand jury in Los Angeles related to the Mexican cartels. He preferred that they didn’t know who he was.

My understanding is that all grand jury proceedings in New York (and surely other venues, too) are held in secret. Only grand jurors are allowed to speak about their proceedings. Notice that in Georgia, it was the grand jurors who spoke out, most of them anonymously. We don’t know anything about the grand juries in Jack Smith’s two federal cases, either.

Grand jury proceedings are not part of the trial. They are for the purpose of establishing that the prosecutor has met the probable cause threshold to bring an indictment. That’s it.

Trials are usually a matter of public record. There are sometimes good reasons to close portions of them, though. Watch the press (rightfully) howl when they are closed to the public.

There’s secret and secret. Everyone knew a grand jury was meeting in NY to discuss trump, only the details of what they discussed was secret. Very few people knew there was a grand jury meeting in NY to discuss allegations of police corruption.

Leaks are always a problem. I’d be very surprised to learn it was the prosecutors in any office that made the information public.

There may be some nuance to the first part of your post, but this part is absolutely solid. And further, if he is inside the state of New York, extradition ceases to be an issue, with regard to the NY charges.

And not to mention his calling for the constitution to be chucked out.

Don’t you men the *Noble Peace Prize" as he calls it?

It also means he can show up to court in his own clothes, with his makeup and hair the way he wants. He will probably then be able to leave the court, and never touch a pair of handcuffs.

Unless they’re his own cuffs he brought for the occasion. It’s what he wants.

Of course – which is why I said in my earlier post that it was a sane strategy for Trump.

The post you were responding to was specifically about how extradition works.

But only the best handcuffs. Not those others, he demands the best handcuffs.

I’d say the “yugessst,” but he’s got such tiny hands …

So what happens Tuesday?

With Trump, I feel it’s a foregone conclusion that the most simple, straightforward, and law-abiding thing isn’t going to happen. He’s not simply going to stroll in and get fingerprinted at 9AM Tuesday.

Trump has to inject some sort of drama and control struggle into everything does. So at a minimum, he waits until close of business, or until 11:59PM, or he holds out until Wednesday. He’ll finally break down and go in, but not without creating some drama and tension about the possibility of noncompliance. I feel like that’s most likely.

Another likely outcome is that he’ll just indefinitely keep avoiding appearance with no discernable strategy or plan. Each day he’ll come up with a new thin pretext as to why he doesn’t need to go in. No clear endgame except maintaining a limbo where there’s neither accountability nor outright defiance. That’s a space he does fairly well in.

Least likely outcome is that he states that he’s simply never showing up and he’s going to stay out of New York and on friendly turf forever. The main reason I find it unlikely is that Trump doesn’t like to be that clear, and it creates a lot of uncertainty for him. He likes to create uncertainty for others, but he himself hates existing in a state of uncertainty and lack of control. He’ll do it if there’s no other way, but he’ll avoid it as much as he can.

I wonder if TFG would be okay with having his head bashed into the car door frame if he forces law enforcement to come get him.

Yes, they can. They were sometimes used on routes between the east coast and western Europe, but most 757 routes were domestic. If Trump had a little more brain and a little less ego, he’d have opted for something like a Gulfstream G650 which has twice the range, a small fraction of the operating costs, and much less impact on the environment.