I don’t want to be rude but this is exactly the kind of infantile behavior I was quoting from the blog. “If you love him so much why don’t you marry him?” kind of schoolyard remark has become accepted discourse these days. It has not been only recently that I became aware that Trump is a serious candidate. I am not a frequent poster and I wanted to share an angle of Trump that I don’t think gets enough attention. I would like to see everyone point out every day that Trump is a little kid and can’t wipe his own ass without his nanny holding his hand. Better?
Let me ask you this Mr. doorhinge, Did you read the quoted interview answer and think “Well, that was a thoughtful and well reasoned response” or did it make you think “Holy shit! WTF was that???”
And the conclusion that the elites are no less stupid and selfish is the conclusion one would reach upon seeing the last 30-40 years of American history.
I agree, which is why I said we need a populism of that sort over the right-wing pseudo-populism Trump is promoting.
When did I ever suggest otherwise? That said, Trump’s agenda of economic nationalism is also an important part of his appeal.
I don’t see why you are talking about Sanders all of a sudden. And if you are classify Americans as “stupid” then by most measures you’ll be lumping in the greater portion of the black and mestizo population along with the rednecks.
The arrogance that you know my opinion better than I do when you can’t even correctly parse simple sentences is sad. The fact is, regardless of the office, which is completely irrelevant, each party has blindly loyal tribe members. Your fixation on one particular office is a pathetic attempt to paint your tribe in a superior light. Keep fixating on the lack of 100% equivalence between office a and office b.
Hell you guys had a senator who let a girl drown. I’d consider that deplorable. Yes, I know, “not the same thing!!11! A senator is not a presidential candidate.” You got me on that.
That’s the reason he wasn’t a presidential candidate. Without that, he would have been. Would’ve won, too.
Jack and Bobby, murdered, and Ted fucked up. Bummer.
Are you somehow imagining we think that what Ted did was “okay?” It was deplorable, and I don’t know anyone, liberal Democrats included, who think it wasn’t.
So deplorable it kept all the good, enlightened, citizens of Massachusetts from voting for Sen. Kennedy repeatedly? No. Is Massachusetts some bastion of the deplorables that gets no proper media? Is it full of ignorant rednecks?
And if Kennedy could have defeated Carter in the primaries you know and I know and Senor Beef knows that a majority of Democrats would have voted for Kennedy over Reagan.
You denied that presidential campaigns were different from other political campaigns.
Yet you, yourself, provided a strong example of a candidate who succeeded in a Senate race, but could not succeed in a Presidential bid.
I’m not sure what you think you’re debating, but you’re saying a lot of rude things about the citizens of Massachusetts, without actually furthering your claim.
Would it be too much to ask for you to specify exactly what point you think you’re espousing in debate? Because you seem to be jumping all over hell and gone, without actually taking a formal stance.
Wondering what the fuss about octopus was here, I find it started with:
That’s actually true for both parties.
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octopus tried to back out from that silly position.
Of course one can point to criminals who have won election as Democrats. But what is a fair basis for comparison? Can R’s point to a Democrat as despicable as Hastert (R) who had one of the highest positions in the land?
To compare apples-with-apples, I’d start with the actual candidates on the stages for the nominations this season. To lump Sanders, in any way, shape or form, with Trump, shows extreme ignorance and poor taste.
I think the only one on the (R) stage I had much respect for was Rand Paul — but he has bizarre ideas and his father is a racist. Of all the R’s on the stage, which would be most acceptable as President? Jeb Bush I guess! (I’d have gone with Chris Christie, the corrupt hog, as least of evils, until he went whole-hog and endorsed the buffoon.) After Jeb, Christie, and Paul there’s Kasich (competent but as right-wing as Pinochet or Atilla the Hun) and 13 utterly laughable clowns.
Compare that with the Democratic stage. Hillary, O’Malley, the inspiring Sanders. Chafee lacked the charisma to win but has integrity and sound ideas. Comparing candidate quality between the D’s and R’s is a no-brainer. For the D’s we have people like Elizabeth Warren. For the R’s … Michele Bachmann! :smack:
@ octopus — admit, if you can, that Democrat candidates are significantly better than Republican candidates where it counts. If you can do that, I’ll take your side! If all you can do is repeat “Nanner nanner, you guys elected a criminal also!” than I’ll join in your Pitting.
I don’t have a tribe in this one. I’m not a democrat, I’ve never been a democrat, and I don’t think overall the democrats are a good political party. At times I’ve supported individual democrats. But if there were some viable alternative, I would absolutely want them to be beaten or replaced.
You can only understand the world in terms of tribalism, and so if I’m criticizing your tribe, I must belong to the opponent’s tribes. And my specific criticisms aren’t based on their merit, but merely because I’m making partisan attacks. So they can just be dismissed.
If you honestly can’t tell the difference between Podunk, North Dakota dog catcher elections and elections for the presidency - if you truly think that doesn’t matter - then you have allowed your own adherence to the uber-partisan “but they do it too! they’re just as bad as me!” to completely blind you to obvious reality.
As far as Ted Kennedy goes, I honestly don’t know anything about it. It’s before my time. If he killed someone and skated justice because he’s powerful, he should’ve been jailed.
But even so, you’re missing one key point in all of this. It’s not as if Trump were a qualified man who had lots of good ideas and had executive competance but made one unforgivable fuckup earlier in his life. He’s a walking fuckup. He has nothing to offer. His flaws are his platform. His flaws are what he’s running on. It’s as if Ted Kennedy ran on a platform of “we should drown all women!” and people voted for him. We aren’t being asked to overcome Trump’s drawnacks in order to embrace his good qualities, his flaws are what he’s promising. He’s a manchild demagogue who everyone knows would be an utter disaster. This makes him completely uncomparable to any other serious presidential candidate in my lifetime.
If you had integrity, you’d say “my party really fucked up here. I can’t support this” instead of deluding yourself by saying “oh, it could happen to anyone. Trump is just a totally random outcome that has nothing to do with the sort of ideas my party has tried to nurture and the sort of flames they’ve fanned. No, Trump just totally randomly happened, and he just happened to have a little R next to his name, and if he had a D next to his name all the democrats would blindly vote for him! So I don’t actually have to look at myself or my tribe, I can just go on blaming the other side anyway! Whew. That one might’ve been difficult, but I managed to avoid thinking about that one!”
Batty’s Corollary: You can always tell which group is acting more egregiously in any binary argument, debate or contest: they’re the ones saying, “Oh yeah! Both sides do it!”
What would the left equivalent of Trump look like? Kayne West? Oprah? Bill Maher? Maybe Jenny McCarthy? Still better than Trump.
Not to mention all the other crazy people the Republicans have put up over the last decade. I can’t recall any Dems having to run commercials denying that they’re witches. There’s no equivalent for all the religious fundamentalists and global warming deniers.
*Sep. 14, 2016 12:10 PM EDT
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Most people who have kept up with “current events” (“current events” meaning the last two years of election news) know that ol’ tired Hillary can, once again, lose her chance at being POTUS. Seriously.
After reading that bloggers opinion, I assumed, most people would think that a) that particular blogger is an asshole who wants people to ignore the seriousness of Trump’s campaign (ain’t gonna happen), or b) that particular blogger is an asshole who thinks independent and Republican voters will listen to the whining of an out-of-touch blogger (ain’t gonna happen, either). Either way, it appears that he’s wasting his time.
The fact that only two people are following his blog (two? seriously? only two in this day and age of the internet?) kinda/sorta suggests that even yellow dog Democrats aren’t paying attention to that guy.
Yeah, Kennedy a (D) got beat by Carter a (D). However, he continuously crushed the (R) in senate races. Proving that even letting a girl die wasn’t enough to sway the fine voters of Massachusetts to forego tribal loyalty. Obviously, Kennedy would have got a tremendous amount of the dem vote if he beat Carter.
It’s simply stating the fact that both parties have members that vote solely due to (D) or (R). Yeah, I see this board’s echo chamber engaged in dishonest mockery but I didn’t expect better. You know I’m right.