Trump Pressured Georgia Official to ‘Find’ Enough Votes to Overturn Election

It seems it is likely republicans are preparing to oppose the election results if Harris wins:

No need to worry about mayhem on January 6, 2025 when Congress meets in joint session; the election deniers plan to stop a result right away if it looks like Harris is winning. Their goal: Refuse to certify anywhere—even a county that Trump won—and prevent certification in that state, which prevents certification of the presidential election.

A Harris victory could become a nightmare.

I really hope Biden/Harris/Dems have a solid, serious plan in place (in all 50 states but certainly some more than others) to deal with this if it happens.

I’m not sure I see a way out of it, if all those people need is one district or one friendly judge or other overseer. And not even succeed; just delay long enough, and it’ll work.

This has greatly dampened my enthusiasm for voting. (Which, I acknowledge, is probably a big reason this is being done as well.)

I expect they’ve been preparing to no matter what the polls say. Some of them have been preparing ever since 2020, if not sooner.

That is indeed a large part of the reason.

We need a vote so decisive that it’ll be obvious what they’re trying to do to anyone not already a traitor. So show up, damn it! whatever state you’re in. (And, of course, vote downballot also while you’re at it.)

This. So much this. If, for instance, the Georgia popular tally is +100,000 for Harris, instead of the +11,000 for Biden, then their ploy will be easily sniffed out for the farce it really is.

Yep. This needs to be in landslide territory and wide-spread enough that any one state can’t fuck things up without getting burned by everyone.

Question, then, because I’ve wondered this before: do all states require reasons to refuse to certify? Like, could a Trumpist official say, yeah, I know Harris won by two million votes, that’s exactly why I’m suspicious and negating those votes, or even just, I have the legal authority to refuse to certify, I don’t have to explain myself, fuck you? Again, if even one region’s laws are loose enough, doesn’t that screw the whole system up?

Isn’t that what the zillion failed lawsuits were all about?

We had one. In 2020. Where we have fallen short thus far is in properly treating the doubters commensurate with their acts of subversion and sedition.

Good questions. I can’t believe the election officials would have that loosey-goosey rules regarding certification. It would be like hanging your hat on being intimidating enough that you get the VP not to certify the final results, as Trump attempted to do on Jan 6. In any event, this is not really about “winning” an election so much as trying to squeak by on a technicality.

Yes and no.

The Electoral College changes things. Isn’t that why Trump pushed to win Georgia by one vote?

Possibly relevant discussion of enforcing the ministerial certification of votes (pdf):

https://protectdemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/PD_County-Cert-WP_v03.1.pdf

Then we need to make sure that any election officials who entertain thoughts of not properly certifying the election will do so at their peril.

Work how exactly? If there’s no certification, then Trump is not President. Period, full stop, end of story.

Some combo of the courts solving the issue and/or Biden declaring a state of emergency takes place and Trump is still not President.

I think even the current SCOTUS would balk at allowing Congress to unilaterally declare that GA’s electoral votes go to Trump even though they never received the requisite paperwork from Georgia’s SoS.

And frankly, in that case, we really are into the Second American Civil War.

I thought that enough delays would throw the election to the House of Representatives, which would elect Trump? I may have been misunderstanding what I’ve read so far, though.

If you truly want to become and stay informed on these issues, this is the website:

It sorts the wheat from the chaff. Marc Elias is the lawyer leading the charge in defending our elections and was chiefly responsible for successfully litigating the Trump voter fraud cases after 2020.

There is a story directly on point for your concerns regarding election certification efforts by Republicans to suppress the results:

Vote. Vote. Vote.

Thanks very much for that link.

Most welcome. :slight_smile:

Media coverage of election-denying officials have greatly exaggerated how much impact individual refusals to certify can really have. Significant procedural delays in election certification can’t be effected by single and small-group actors. Remedies already exist and the mousetraps are already sprung (see @Aspenglow ’s post above). No one’s being caught off-guard this time around.

Further reading about the said remedies and certification safeguards in the post linked below.

Related link, for the wiki article outlining the statutory reforms made to the electoral count process, after the 2020 fiasco;

Given the president has the immunity of a king thanks to the Supreme Court, can’t Biden just exercise his presidental powers and stop whatever the Republicans plan to do? If we’re going to entertain crazy ideas to steal the election, has anyone put any thought into what an unrestrained executive branch might do?