Trump Proposes to Reopen Alcatraz Prison

true dis!

  1. Trump directs the Federal Bureau of Prisons to move prisoners to Alcatraz.
  2. If the director of the FBP refuses to comply, Trump fires him and replaces him with somebody more obedient.
  3. Prisoners file lawsuits over the living conditions which do not meet standards set by law.
  4. Judge rules in prisoners favor and orders the FBP to address the problem.
  5. Trump tells FBP director to ignore the order and has the judge arrested.
  6. Republican majority on the Supreme Court declines to hear case. Democratic justices protest.
  7. Democrats in Congress submit a bill addressing problem. Republican majority tables it.
  8. Democrats in Congress start impeachment process. Republican majority tables it.
  9. Trump makes public statement about how he has solved crime. Says he deserves a third term.

It’s like if the police chief’s son is shoplifting all over town but no police officer will arrest him. The kid isn’t worried if whether or not shoplifting is illegal because he knows the laws won’t be enforced on him. But that doesn’t mean the kid has invented some brilliant legal strategy.

Trump repeatedly breaking the law is the small problem. The Republican party refusing to stop Trump when he repeatedly breaks the law is the big problem.

3 should be “Prisoners figure out they can leave the National Park facility with one of the regular tour groups that have free rein over most of the island.” Or maybe “NPS personnel repel the landing of an unknown vessel clearly not from the sole tourist line licensed by NPS to land passengers on the island, telling them to circle the island like all the other cut-rate tour boat lines.” :wink:

Trump appears to love prisons as much as he hates universities and scientific research. Which may not be a bad thing for him personally, because in a few years he may be in one.

Won’t cost a cent, the prisoners will pay for it.

I’m pretty sure that’s the exactly level of “reasoning” that goes into a lot of his orders and proposals. An idle thought of “that would be neat” gets turned into an official policy with zero consideration of whether it’s a good idea. No impulse control, no self-reflection, no consideration of consequences, no actual understanding of the issues, no brain-to-mouth filter; just base impulses directly translated into policy.

We basically decided to make The Monster From The Id into the President.

Sounds like the real punishment for Trump would be to send him back to college.

Trump, himself, is a Russian agent. He is just too stupid to realize it.

I didn’t know anything about Alcatraz before this thread. When they started it, the DOJ, FBI and other agencies were professionally involved in establishing it. They apparently had prison rules as examples that the inmates weren’t allowed to talk to each other except between cell walls and out in the rec yard. Apparently also those few attorneys representing inmates weren’t generally permitted to come to the island to talk with their uhm ‘clients’/whatever they call them.

Prez Trump doesn’t realize the law enforcement problems they were trying to solve back in ‘35 and ‘36. My grandmother told me once about how the wave of crime was just immense back then. Crime for my entire lifetime hasn’t probably been so widespread as it was back in the early 30s. Where she lived in South St. Paul, MN, the chief of police was bribed and the criminals were given apparently free rein. Kansas City, MO and Chicago were apparently corrupted to the full extent.

I read today that federal and state inmates were habitually breaking out of Atlanta, Leavenworth and other pens. I never considered too how they had FBI agents killed transporting some guy named Jelly Nash right before they opened Alcatraz. These events were not covered in my Advanced Placement or college classes so I never read about them.

My point is current headlines pale in comparison and I emailed the White House this morning to say so, not that it means anything really.

More a “useful idiot”; an agent would know.

Yes, that’s correct. A wrench in the works of the USA.

Yeah. I’ve never bought the idea that he was just following Putin’s orders; he’s both too arrogant to do so and too unreliable for that to even work. But as a human grenade to create random harm to the US? That makes sense.

It’s not even the first time it’s been done, foreigners have long realized how bad the Republicans are for the US and lacking the Democrats’ obsession with pretending otherwise, have supported the Republicans out of a desire to hurt us. I recall how back during Bush II’s reelection bid, the CIA outright said they thought that Osama bin Laden was timing the release of his taped statements to boost Bush’s poll numbers. Because bin Laden was the enemy of the US, and he knew that one of the ways he could hurt the US the most was to get a Republican into office. And he was right.

Mar-A-Lockup?

Trump seemed to suggest it was his nostalgia for old movies that led him to push for reopening [Alcatraz].

“Well, I guess I was supposed to be a moviemaker. We’re talking, we started with the moviemaking, and it will end,” Trump told a reporter who asked him why he wanted to reopen the island prison in San Francisco Bay. “It represents something very strong, very powerful, in terms of law and order. Our country needs law and order. Alcatraz is, I would say, the ultimate, right? Alcatraz, Sing Sing, and Alcatraz, the movies.”

He then relates a story about a prisoner that tried to escape:

“One person almost got there, but they, as you know the story, they found his clothing rather badly ripped up, and uh, it was a lot of shark bites, a lot of problems,” Trump said.

The article says this actually appears to be a reference to Escape From Alcatraz.

Again with the sharks. I guess the prisoner should have stayed with the electric boat.

Of course it is:
Trump announced Alcatraz reopening just hours after ‘Escape from Alcatraz’ aired on a South Florida PBS station

As I said in another thread in which this was mentioned, let’s hope that station doesn’t show ‘Escape from New York’ or ‘Escape from L.A.’ anytime soon.

I have the feeling that this is not meant to be taken seriously, but I am missing the comedy, so in case it is serious:

So what? In the scheme of things, really, what harm is done, compared to so much other stuff that he is doing, like annihilating the concept of the rule of law?

Yeah, I’m sure that "There is something worse, over there!" can always be used as an excuse to dismiss whatever he does, ignoring the fact that what he is doing is part and parcel of his annilhilating the rule of law.
His “silliness” does not stop itself and, in fact, it is costly in terms of money, time, energy and human rights.

If we had taken this evil man-child seriously in the first place, we wouldn’t be in this mess.