Considering TFG latest proposal for “peace” between Ukraine and Russia would require Ukraine to cede Crimea to Russia, which is contrary to the Ukrainian constitution and throws all of international law since the end of WWII on its head by recognizing the annexation of territory by aggressive force, let’s just say that this hypothetical proposed by the OP exists entirely in the realms of the fantastical. One may as well ask what TFG would do if giant space bats showed up giving him the power to do anything, no matter how fantastical or unrealistic.
We are well past the point of this kind of thing having any leverage, with Trump or with any other public figure. It would be called an AI deepfake, even if it is entirely real, and the supporters of whoever is on the business end of it will be satisfied with that explanation.
Will the conflict as a whole is just the result of the US interference in the status quo of Ukraine in 2014, since then I believe the Putin administration has been patient, specially after trump was elected.
Things deescalated after the promises of the first Trump administration, but when nothing was achieved and Biden was elected, the Russian decided to move forward with their plan B.
Since then under Biden, I believe things exploded due to Biden administration refusal of even coming to a common ground or negotiate after the war started.
Currently we still don’t have a conclusion in sight, due to Russian distrust in Trump to uphold any agreements as the common idea within Moscow is that Putin made a mistake by trusting the previous Trump administration and also the new administration unwillingness to release frozen assets doesn’t show the good faith that Putin expected with the 2nd Trump administration.
P.S this is a personal opinion of what I’ve seen and read, I’m not a part of either side please don’t attack me
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First off, what happened in 2014 wasn’t the “status quo,” secondly, you talk about US interference as if US interference is a bad thing, rather than the funnest thing.
And yeah, that whole “I’m not a part of either side” doesn’t fool anyone.
If you read it whole without any bias you’d understand it, but I’ll break it down for you.
When the soviet union ended in the 90s, it was understood that no enlargements of NATO or interference with countries adjacent to Russia.
and when Clinton administration called for former Warsaw countries to join NATO, it raised tensions with the Russians, because they believe greatly in the theory of informal promises about NATO enlargement, whether it’s true or not we have to understand is that they believe in it.
now to the 2014 situation, let’s look at the cause of all what happened, the association agreement with EU. in that while it’s true that Yanukovych administration refused to sign during the eastern partnership.
Azarov was asking for 20 billion euros from the EU, and Russia at the time was offering 15 billion and cheaper gas, with the threat of cutting gas if they signed with the EU.
a tough situation really for any Ukrainian administration and maybe it could be handled better rather then forcefully overthrowing the administration.
now was what happened the best or worst outcome? we will never know, but one thing is true, the Ukrainian people benefited the most of 2014 by getting a visa free ticket away from that sh***ole of situation.
P.S like I said no part in this, they both could vanish for all I care.
You spend a lot of time defending the position of Russian state propaganda for someone who claims to have no part in this and not a part of either side.
Bullshit. The reunification of Germany prior to the actual collapse of the Soviet Union expanded NATO since it was East Germany that was reintegrating with the West, not the other way around. All of Eastern Europe immediately started asking to join NATO in 1991, see the Visegrád Group of the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia. Notably 3 of them directly bordered former Soviet states, and the Czech Republic only didn’t because it wasn’t Czechoslovakia anymore. There was no understanding that there would be no expansion of NATO outside of Russian propaganda.
Clinton didn’t call for former Warsaw Pact countries to join NATO, they had been trying to join NATO entirely of their own accord since the USSR collapsed. And no, we don’t have to ‘understand’ Russian state propaganda ‘whether it’s true or not’, and it most certainly is not.
Your understanding of “the 2014 situation” would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad. “A forceful overthrow of the administration” is a rather bizarre way to describe the government opening fire on peaceful protests. US ‘interference in the status quo of Ukraine in 2014’ is an equally bizarre way to describe refusing to recognize the Russian annexation of Crimea and the ‘independence’ of Donetsk and Luhansk from Ukraine at gunpoint from Russian backed forces and the full-blown intervention of Russian troops when literally no other nation in the world recognized these illegal actions. Even Belarus wouldn’t recognize Russia’s annexation of Crimea until 2021
I concede, you make great points ![]()
I know it’s a still unproven conspiracy theory, yet I do believe Putin has “kompromat” on Trump. Whether it dates back to the “honey-pot” visit to Moscow to build a Trump hotel there or just run-of-the-mill spycraft - yet just applying an Occam’s Razor approach this explains (as many thought then too) how in 2018 he met with Putin and they had a joint conference where Trump emphatically denied any Russian meddling in the 2016 election despite the CIA & FBI having just stated that there in fact was.
If this is the case, it must be very big. Trump is bullet-proof and unimpeachable. He’s gone way beyond “dead girl / live boy” kind of news. Even if hundreds of videos where he meets with personnel from the Russian Consulate in NYC in Central park and they swap suitcases and perhaps even if Trump says he was just giving them info they wanted for cash and sweeter contracts on his tenements, he’s President till he dies.
This isn’t an Occam’s razor approach. In fact, Occams’ razor would lean the other way. Trump would obviously deny that there was Russian meddling in an election which he won. Therefore, there is no need to postulate that the Russians have kopromat on him to account for the denial.
Okay, so no razors. It’s still my suspicion and or belief that Putin has some control over Trump. If it amounts to treason / sedition in the past there won’t be 2/3rds of the Senate to convict him. Maybe it’s like one of those schemes where someone has compromising photos of you and they keep pressing for more. IOW, perhaps it’s still an ongoing thing. Something that would easily get 2/3rds if not like 90+ senate votes.
Putin holds the upper hand in this relationship and there won’t be any ultimatums. Putin has been in control of Russia for nearly 25 years and I believe if he keeps winning (hah! if!) he’s good till at least 2038. He’s clever, devious and for what he does, usually smart (bad timing on the Ukraine invasion being the only slip up I can think of) for what he needs to do. All things Trump either wants to be and/or thinks he is already. I don’t see the charm yet for some reason Trump idolizes Putin.
And for other ultimatums, Trump was able to answer a question last year about Xi and Taiwan with a coy “He knows what I’ll do”. Trump probably would deny having ever said that. Or if he did know what he’d do, had he told Xi? Is that still the game plan?
All I can say is no President has been “boots on the ground” belligerent minded since 1990 unless it was about oil. And before that Reagan’s mis-adventures in South America and Iranian dealings which nobody recalled ever happening.So while I can have theories about Trump and Putin’s relationship, nobody is fighting any land wars in Asia, Europa, Oceania or the Congo, wherever that is.
Trump gets to play King for a day next week in the UK and perhaps imagines the King of Denmark will graciously cede Greenland and the Faroe Islands. And what does Norway need with Svalbard? If he can find it on a map, it ought to belong to the USA, esp if oil or mineral rights are concerned. National security demands it.
How can you have kompromat on someone with no sense of shame or boundaries?
He does indeed. He has a massive crush on Putin. He sees Putin as the examplar of the kind of leader that he would like to be himself - a man of action, decisive, ruthless, unconstrained by law or morality. He wants to be Putin. And he wants Putin to notice him, to like him.
No kompromat needed to explain this.
It’s so unlike his persona in the 80’s and 90’s that Spy Magazine mercilessly satirized. Some say it was Obama and Seth Myers making fun of him at the White House Correspondence dinner.
Yet he was doing “fine” not paying contractors / threatening contractors / going bankrupt many times / buying some land in Putnam for $20,000 that he donated to New York State as long as they named it “Donald Trump Park” and he had a tax write off for a million.
He has one stupid son, another stupid coke-head son (oh yeah, the tall son Barron whom I know nothing about other than Trump used to call reporters saying he was “John Barron” and Trump was a great guy) yet a pretty daughter who is married to an educated man. Spy wasn’t calling him anything more than an asshole born on third base who thinks he hit a triple. Not a megalomaniac, or failed artist who wanted power and revenge. Where did all that come from? Spy may have said he’d keep going chapter 11 (so you can roll funds into next company) and yet it would be laughable to think he’d ever be a politician (using the term broadly as an elected person), To be President on two non-consecutive occasions (of course stolen election one time). Now who’s kidding who?
He is the greatest example of “falling upwards” I can think of in history.
This is the same person who cared so little what people think of him, that he was convicted of 34 felonies due to his efforts to keep an affair quiet.
The guy’s skin is thin as paper and he’s desperate to protect his image.
I’m not convinced there’s kompromat on him, but he would be particularly susceptible to it.
I think (hope against hope?) his remark over Ukraine and the ceasefire that wasn’t (that maybe Putin was playing him) might be a sign that the penny was finally dropping. But he’d die rather than admit he’d ever misjudged Putin.