It’s called “pointing out that the GOP controls the White House, Senate, House, 31 governorships, and both legislative chambers in 30 of the 50 states”.
What does a Democrat say when she finishes second in the Electoral College?
Who cares what she says?
Regards,
Shodan
I always heard it as “might makes right possible.”
We have been listening to them, in fact they have been the only ones who have been listened to up until the last decade or so. The problem is that we have been listening to other people as well, which tends to piss them off. Also we haven’t been as good about lying to them, which is apparently what they really want to hear.
And unfortunately might seems to be hell bent on altering the rules so that he doesn’t lose the ability to make them.
What exactly does “listen” mean in this context? If the controlling party in government is sexist, racist and wrong, resistance is called for on my part.
If you have gotten away with half the cake, they may take it back if you come back for the other half.
Let me get this straight: you’re rejoicing because a confessed sexual predator, con man, and ignorant twit will be in the White House and will stack the Cabinet with those hell bent on destruction of the environment, hastening global warming, attacking civil liberties, and hitting the warp speed drive on income inequality? And you’re happy that the Congress and a majority of states are run by likeminded people? What precisely do you hope for them to accomplish?
Does anyone here watch ‘the wrestling’? President Trump was on the wrestling. Those people voted for him.
It doesn’t mean this -
Regards,
Shodan
You haven’t answered my question.
Welcome to Trump’s America. Where climate change is fake and wrestling is real.
What? Like respect your au-thor-a-ty?
Of course humans are naturally xenophobic. We’re also natural selfish. We’re naturally killers, rapists, thieves, etc. Yet, somehow, we worked together to overcome that. We overcame selfishness by creating a society. We overcame the rest by making laws against them. And now, we’re to the point that the majority of us think that all those things are so horrible that we couldn’t imagine doing them.
At some point, we either got help from a divine entity, or created one to provide consequences for those natural things we do that can’t really be punished by law.
If we look at the real world, all forms of bigotry are less popular in young people. We’ve grown up being told they were wrong. And while many of the adults don’t seem to actually listen or draw a line in the sand where they will not change anymore, the children keep on progressing.
We’re also getting smarter. Every few years, IQ has to be adjusted downward. And the most intelligent people wind up working together more.
We have multicultural societies in cities, and the cities are already mostly against all this xenophobia. It’s the ones who don’t know people of other races who are the most racist.
In short, we have no reason to believe that xenophobia is, unlike everything else, going to win this war. Setbacks do not somehow prove that the battle is over.
And, if, somehow, the battle is one we are destined to lose, why would we ever want to stop fighting for what is right over what is wrong? If there is inevitably a rubber band, then at least we can make things better until it snaps back. And then we can do it again. And again.
Surely it will break, but, if it doesn’t, at least the times in between are good.
Hopefully never. But of course the real problem is agreeing what is right and what is wrong. There lies the rub.
More like recognize that you are in the min-or-a-ty.
You know all those people you were looking down your nose at? They’re in charge. They run the White House and Congress and most governorships and most state legislatures. They are going to pick the next Supreme Court justice.
This is one of those situations where spin doesn’t change anything. Your side lost. If you don’t want to learn anything from the experience, you don’t have to - carry on just as you have and hope it will work better in 2020. If you do want to learn something, you are going to have to listen to something other than the caricatures your side has constructed about everyone who dissents even slightly. That will be very difficult to do, and no one is going to force you if you don’t want to.
Go ahead and live in the safe space you have constructed for yourselves, if that’s you want. But consider that Congress and the White House and the Supreme Court are no longer safe spaces.
Regards,
Shodan
Xenophobia is wrong. Are you going to argue otherwise?
Could you please go back to 2008 and give that speech to the republicans?
If you don’t stretch the rubber band too far it might never snap.
The point is that if you’re advocating for a situation which could itself result in a severe counter-reaction, then you’re taking a big risk over just keeping a more sustainable status quo.
[As regards to xenophobia specifically, I see the issue more as one of encouraging immigration and multiculturalism rather than simply in fighting xenophobia. If you have a monolithic society - e.g. Japan - xenophobia is probably a lot more common than in the US, but less of an issue as a practical matter.]
For something you said you were assuming just for the sake of argument, you sure seem to cling to it as truth. If Republicans are not racist and sexist, then how the fuck did we lose?
It was hard enough figuring out what your first post had to do with the topic of this thread. You said you were rephrasing what Velocity said, but I see no resemblance. He said that the reason why liberals take things for granted is that they project their own values onto others. You “rephrased” that as “we don’t have to listen to you, because you’re sexist, racist, and wrong.”
I can barely see a connection–if I assume “listen” means “pay attention to how they are voting, and not how you wish they would vote.” But now you seem to have turned it into yet another treatise on how we should not call everyone racist because we disagree with them.
And while I can see how you might interpret the OP as doing so, it would make far more sense if you would make that argument directly.
Ah. You think the current situation is sustainable. It isn’t. There is no way that minorities are going to just sit back and let multiculturalism stop. They aren’t equal, and they will fight for it. And, as demographics show, when it comes to race, we’re due to be a minority-majority country fairly soon–even without any more immigration.
We just already aren’t a monoculture, so there’s no way that any monocultural ideas are sustainable. The only solution would be force emigration or extermination, and that’s the very thing we DON’T want to happen.
Japan is also dying. Just like all first world nations, the birth rate growth is decreasing. But, unlike other ones, they aren’t as multicultural, so the just don’t have the people to do the jobs when the older generation ages out. They are currently having to become multicultural to deal with this stagnation.
The U.S. is not Japan. We are not a monoculture. A monolithic society is impossible in the U.S. unless you do what I said above.
Plus, we know from experience that separate but equal doesn’t work. Even if you did successfully relocate everyone to separate nations, some are going to have it better than others, and that alone is reason enough for war.
It’s true that the free market could not end segregation. What people neglect is that, if the government didn’t step in, what comes next is violence. Heck, it had already started.
People will always fight for equality. There is no sustainable system without equality.
You’re just repeating yourself. None of this relates to what I’ve written, so I’m going to leave it here unless someone else doesn’t understand it.
I find it endlessly fascinating that you cannot see the answer to your own question.
“If Republicans are racist and sexist, then we can’t lose!” Then you lose.
Therefore…
Regards,
Shodan