She attended Howard University, a Black college, was in a Black sorority, was a member of the Black Caucus as a senator, but she only identifies as Black when she needs votes???
The NYT says it was due to Trump throwing a temper tantrum because they wanted to fact check him in real time.
Oh, he understands completely.
That’s what I was going to say…
So - how does he spin this in a non-negative manner? This kind of a performance - essentially dissing a racial group to their faces - if ripe fodder for talk shows and late night comedians. He’s basically giving the Dems video for several ads.
Once again, I’m not saying that I agree, I’m just trying to let you know what the mindset is. He was prepped to hit these talking points.
The book The Black Bourgeoisie by Edward Franklin Frazier which is from the 50’s, goes into great detail.
It explains why some of the descendants of chattel slavery do not trust “black” people of mixed race. It’s really deep and complex but it lays out the fact that those of mixed race back then were related to the slave masters themselves. They we at the top of the social hierarchy until the great migration to the north after the slaves were freed.
That mindset persisted until this book was written, and still exists today.
Too late. He was doing it during the actual interview, to the interviewer’s faces. This was one of the more bizarre political events I’ve ever had the opportunity to view first hand.
Whether this is true or not, you should note that he’s already won you.
I personally doubt that Harris, at any point, came out and announced, “I, today, am a black woman!” Nor, I expect, has she ever intimated anything along those lines, either. I’d expect that she’s done what everyone does and brings up the aspects of her heritage, upbringing, life, and other experiences that are relevant to the people that she’s talking to. I can imagine moments where she’s mentioned her black heritage, but that’s not particularly indicative of anything minus some reason to find it strange for the situation.
Trump has already convinced you that she has come out as a black person, and you’re defending her right to be black. Anyone reacting to your response will assume that she did come out as “black”, since you didn’t contest it, and they’ll accept that Harris is dishonest.
I think he was thinking of this interaction of the woman who wrote an anti-woke book being unable to define it and was hoping to get the same zinger in on the interviewer. The problem of course is that it was his side who was calling Harris a DEI candidate. So it’s his side who has to define what they meant. Fortunately for him the interviewer decided it wasn’t worth pursuing and so showed mercy by paraphrasing what they had in mind, but she could have turned it back on him.
You don’t think that there is a possibility that attitudes have changed in 70 years?
Yes, atittudes have changed… for some people. Even for a lot of people.
But some people are stuck in the 1950’s. Hell, some are still stuck in the frickin’ Bronze Age. I suspect both of those types are more likely to vote for Trump than Harris, and that’s the audience Trump plays to best.
This… this was a shit-show from the get-go. I listened to about 5 minutes of it and that was enough for me.
He announced he was treated very badly. Questions that were hostile, and really just attack statements. But he crushed it. I don’t have a link.
It was reported he didn’t know about the Massey woman being shot it the face by LE.
How could he not be aware of that case?
And whoever mentioned chattel slaves. I’m pretty sure there were 1000s of African descendant slaves in Jamaica. Sugar plantations, remember those?
Of course she’s black
Well, no not really. I’ve been trying to explain this for over a year now, and I may have done a bad job of it. She is not seen as a Black American descendant of chattel slavery because she’s not.
I’ve only watched the beginning of the convention interview, but he is clearly trying to hit this point. He is definitely being advised by some in the black community to do this. He’s is saying that she is not “Black” and that resonates with a portion of the black community.
Regardless of how you or others see it, the audience (and many in the media) clearly did not see it that way, and the interaction between that audience and Trump is the subject of this thread.
Okay first of all Trump has won nothing from me. Not even exactly sure what that was supposed to mean.
Second, I made no mention of anything that Harris has said or not said about her own ethnic heritage. I was commenting on something that Trump said during the interview. And unlike trump, as a middle-aged white man living in the midwest, I don’t feel that I have the right to criticize another person’s self-identified ethnic heritage. Whatever it may be.
If somebody else wants to come on here and say that Harris has never claimed to be black and therefore Trump was lying, then that’s their prerogative. That is not an argument I would ever make under any circumstances.
A very small portion perhaps. He’s pissing off the rest of the black community in a major way.
No, she’s just seen as a Black American. The “descendant of chattel slavery” is another issue altogether. Racists don’t care if her ancestors were forced to work on a plantation in Georgia.
Daddy Fred instilled that those people only understand force.
Possibly, if there’s anyone in (or with any understanding of) the black community who’s willing to advise him. But being advised doesn’t mean he’s listening.
Most of the descendants of chattel slavery are black people of mixed race. And unfortunately, in many segments of black culture, lighter-skinned black people are still the top of the social hierarchy. The “paper bag test” comes from African-Americans themselves.
Ok to explain further, most white people subscribe to the one-drop rule today. As in if you have a drop of African blood, you are black.
Black descendants of chattel slavery do not look at it that way, if you look mixed then you are mixed.
So, Michelle Obama, a descendant of chattel slavery, is undisputed black. Barack Obama is not seen that way within the black community.
White people say he is black because of the one drop rule.
White people say he’s black because he says he’s black. And he is.
This was my point. His statement implies an a priori assumption. You’ve not addressed the assumption and only addressed his statement. A low information voter will assume that the a priori assumption was correct.
Trump generates bad counterpoints from his adversaries through this mechanism. He creates the hologram of a fake reality by assuming it’s reality, discussing fictions that are just one level further off into fantasy land, and getting people to bypass the hologram with him to only debate the fantasy level. Absent minded listeners slowly come to accept the hologram since everyone that hear talking, seems to accept that it’s there.