You can believe whatever you want, even after being told by one who should know that what you believe is wrong. This is America!
Logic and the evidence told many, and the people in authority eventually, that virtually all the previous confessions were poppycock.
You don’t always take at face value assertions from “one who should know”. Like, in this case, “one who should know” has every reason to cover up for the fact that he said something completely stupid …
Well I guess that settles that, then. Glad you could clear this up. 
That’s because they recognize these controversies are manufactured in an effort to thwart Trump’s presidency and are relatively minor in nature, especially when compared to all that’s gone wrong in this country that they’re hoping Trump will successfully address.
Indeed, you may think you are showing that that was stupid, but you are only reaching for being technically correct. Of course that item about “guilty beyond reasonable doubt” was not what Trump was going about when he continues to tell others that the 5 should had been executed regardless that their convictions were tossed out.
I wish I was as smart as all Trump supporters, none of whom have any negative motivations, but only pure and honest and truthful feelings. Man, maybe someday I will be as good as these wonderful true Americans, unlike me and folks like me.
I’m not about to reveal my RL identity, but I’ll narrow the field down a bit and tell you that I’m not Trump.
Now try again, in light of that new knowledge.
It has to be noted, a lot of the ones that voted differently in the rust belt did so because they did expect Trump to drain the swamp indeed.
As I noted, it will take time, but one just needs a significant number of those voters to realize they were had to eventually vote for people that will be less ethically challenged.
What you need to realize is that the thread is about what Trump is stupidly saying, and in the context of the tread, we expect the Trump voters to explain why voting for him was justified. So what you are going on is indeed a hijack. If you can not explain why is Trump still spewing stupid things that are designed to divide the nation you should stop.
Not only am I not Trump but I’m not even a Trump voter.
You’ve been around for 15 years and have 25K posts. You should be aware by now that not every post to a thread consists of a ringing endorsement of - or attack on - the OP.
If you’re in a thread about Trump and someone says that Trump’s faults are so great that he contradicted “evidence of their innocence [which] is as close to reliable as science has to offer us at this time”, then that assertion is fair game for discussion. And this is so regardless of whether you yourself are or support Trump or the full extent of Trump’s position on that case.
As a hint to their thought processes you might take note of the comment one of those guys made about how we need to bring law and order back. There’s a widespread feeling that liberalism is soft on crime. This is evident in the way liberals are constantly doing battle on behalf of criminals, making excuses for their behavior, developing revolving-door imprisonment of the sort that has violent and hardened criminals with tons of arrests and jailings in their past out and committing more crimes while still in their 20s and 30s, seeking to hamper the police seemingly in every way possible, and mocking the values that cause people to grow up less likely to be criminals in the first place. Those who approve of all this think they’re the good guys. Those who disapprove think they’re the good guys. So who’s to decide who the real good guys are? I’m coming down on the law and order side myself because fewer innocent people get raped, robbed, assaulted and murdered that way by people who ought to be in prison but thanks to liberal activism aren’t.
What I pointed early was:
The previous post unrelated to the central park 5 still follows what I pointed out.
In reality most voters are not and more IMHO will not be amused by what Trump is doing, they are indeed relying on other institutions (yes, even the press) to keep the Cheeto in chief in check.
And so it goes for what Trump did and continues to do with the Central Park 5, in context it was just and effort to keep police, minorities and the current NY administration that did settle with the 5 at odds with each other.
On edit: BTW Starving Artist just showed there how successful Trump was with some conservatives with that whistle there.
It’s a wonder you guys aren’t deaf with all the dog whistles that are allegedly out there.
The obvious reason you aren’t is because they aren’t there in reality. Most of us on the right don’t care in the slightest who gets thrown in jail as long as the reason is that they’ve been committing crimes. People raped, robbed, assaulted and murdered by white guys who ought to be in jail are just as bad off as if it were someone of another race who ought to be in jail and wasn’t did the deed.
“Dog whistles” like “racism” is just another way of trying to shut down discussion you don’t want to see the light of day.
That straw man has been properly slayed. Bravo, sir! Well done!
I’m a liberal and I think anyone that commits a crime should be punished. So your caricature is false. Feel free to keep trotting it out but its not going to stop being false.
Are you as a liberal doing anything at all to try to keep your ideological brethren from engaging in the anti-law-and-order manner that I’ve outlined? Naturally it stands to reason that not every single liberal in the country is responsible for the state our current justice system is in, but the fact is that the state it’s in has been created largely by liberal activism.
Are you doing anything at all to work against the KKK and white nationalist groups that are your ideological brethren? If not, then why am I responsible for the actions of every liberal but you are not responsible for the actions of every conservative?
Hey, here’s a novel idea. Maybe we are all individuals and dividing and categorizing us into two political teams so you can demonize half of the country is not the best way to help create a more perfect union? Just spitballing…
The state where crime is down substantially across the board and we’re finally starting to address long-standing injustices such as the absolute abuse of the populace by the police in Ferguson, Missouri?
What a bizarre post. I could not point to any particular part of it that actually comports to reality. In reality, under president Obama, crime is down. Substantially. I couldn’t tell you who all these “violent and hardened criminals” are; I seriously doubt you have anything resembling statistics or data on that. While I couldn’t find national data, recidivism in Florida and New York are both down. And when you compare the USA to countries with far, far lower recidivism rates, the difference is not “they’re harder on crime”; indeed, it’s usually quite the opposite.
Really, the key part here is this: “There’s a widespread feeling that liberalism is soft on crime.” Feeling. As in, not necessarily anything in reality based on it, just a feeling one has that America has gotten more dangerous. It hasn’t. Crime is still down. It’s at a low we haven’t seen in a long time. This is just an absurd strawman based on a downright Trumpian* view of reality.
*Distorted, fearful, paranoid, not actually true
I don’t think I’ve ever met a single liberal who thinks that race should be a mitigating factor in prosecution or sentencing. Ever. Not one. Where are you meeting these liberals? Who are you even talking about? Can you find one person on this board who espouses these liberal views you tout? (Other than “dog whistles are a thing that exist”; you’ll find quite a lot of people who believe that because it’s blatantly obvious that historically, it’s true.)
Yes. Whenever I hear it, I call it out in vigorous terms. This is very easy for me to do, as it has happened a grand total of zero times, either in person or online. I have literally never seen a single liberal anywhere make the absurd claims you attribute to “liberalism” here, specifically that we should consider race a mitigating factor in prosecution or sentencing.
The problems with our justice system are not because of liberal activism.
Our overflowing prisons are not because liberals decided that three strikes rules and incredibly harsh sentences for drug possession and use are a grand idea; indeed, we’ve been fighting against those laws.
Racist, abusive police departments like the one in Ferguson, Missouri and laws like Stop and Frisk which overwhelmingly end up targeting minorities are generally not pushed or supported by liberals; in fact, it’s been the liberal justice department under Obama who has gone after such injustice.
Our high recidivism rates are not because of people being “soft on crime” and have stayed fairly close to constant through many administrations, “hard” or “soft” on crime; indeed it is liberals pushing to “ban the box” and make it illegal for employers to discriminate against people with prior criminal convictions, one of the major drivers of recidivism. Our reliance un unsafe, underregulated private prisons is not the fault of liberals; indeed, it is the liberals trying to put an end to that practice.
Our skyrocketing crime rates and exceedingly dangerous cities are not the fault of liberals; they aren’t a thing that exists.
What problems in modern criminal justice do you consider to be “caused by liberal activism”?