Trump won because he’s a fool and a monster, and monstrous fools is what the right wing wants and is composed of. I have no interest in being one, and turning into one would just be another kind of losing.
And it’s silly to claim that Clinton lost by being insulting, when Trump was far more so.
I hope that is the case, but I don’t know.
This is a different poll from 2016.
Caveats:
This was a poll of South Carolina republicans (who are going to be more conservative and pro-confederacy than republicans from Iowa, Nevada or New York).
Trump voters were the only primary voters who wanted the confederacy to win. I’m not sure what % of Rubio or Kasich voters felt the confederacy should have won but I’m sure it is far smaller. I think I saw this poll when it came out a year ago, and I recall other primary voters were less likely to feel this way (for Kacish supporters it was a very lopsided view that the north should have won).
Overall, even among SC voters they preferred the north win the civil war 36-30. And of the 2/3 who are undecided or wanted the south to win, it was probably more because they hate liberals in NY & CA telling them what to do.
But again, to all the conservatives here If a poll came out that showed 45-20 that democrats in America prefer Maduro (Venezuela’s president who has collapsed the economy and is taking on dictatorial powers) or Stalin as the president over Trump in the US, I wouldn’t consider you out of line for calling those people deplorable. That would be a very rational response to finding out that a large % of people prefer a human rights abusing dictator just so long as they are on the same team.
I definitely wouldn’t do what Bricker is doing, and start saying ‘you need to learn that respecting people’s opinions is important’. No, not all opinions are the same. If someone wants Stalin or Hitler to lead this country, their opinions are not valid the way people who prefer Romney or Rubio over Hillary or Obama are.
Insulting people for wanting a dictator in charge is not unfair, wrong or immoral. The fact that many of those people are too ignorant to know Davis supported slavery and treason only kindof absolves them.
There are a certain percentage of them that aren’t redeemable. The understand what they are and wholeheartedly embrace it. I don’t want those people anywhere other than a party in the Far Right (I’d like them out of the Republican party - but I hope Democrats NEVER pander to them).
There are a certain percentage that are just historically and culturally illiterate. They have heard of Jeff Davis, have a vague idea that he was President, but he has to be better than Obama. (The shame here is that Davis was a terribly ineffectual President - horrible - which was not completely his fault - the States Rights folks decided to repeat the mistakes of the Articles of Confederation and gave the Confederacy no power - it all sat in the states. Which meant coordinated war efforts were a joke). These people need education, not insults.
There are a percentage that already know they made a mistake and are beginning to look at Obama like the left now looks at George W Bush - he wasn’t nearly as terrible as people thought he was…we now have proof. Those are the people the Democrats should be wooing.
There is a basket of deplorables. The Trump voters who don’t belong in that basket are beginning to show that they don’t want to catch the stench.
Yes, this. A certain segment of the right can and should be written off by the democrats. But some others of them can be appealed to, and they should be appealed to.
But the voluntarily brainwashed, constantly angry, white nationalist base that makes up 30-50% of the GOP electorate can and should be written off by the democrats. That doesn’t mean we don’t get to call them out on their behavior.
“The guy that won,” in my quote is Obama.
You edited that line out, didn’t you?
Just curious: will there come any point at which you might say, “Perhaps this strategy of fearlessly insulting half the voters in the country is not going as well as it seemed it would?”
If Trump is re-elected in 2020? Or is that a time do just double down? Again?
The difference is that there are a number of communities around the world, and even in the US that practice and promote communism without being the least bit violent, bigoted or repressive. They may not be sustainable long term and may only work for relatively small groups, but they are relatively harmless. Communism isn’t evil, hateful and repressive, totalitarianism is evil, hateful and repressive. The problem is that in the process of forcing everyone to be communists you generally end up with totalitarianism. But there is nothing about free healtcare and education, a social safety net, and a general postive attitude towards sharing that necessitates pogroms and gulags.
Nazism and white supremacy on the other hand is impossible to support without advocating violence and the repression of those deemed unworthy.
We are insulting half of Trump’s voters, not half of all voters.
Also the GOP and Trump has shown that insulting people doesn’t cost you votes. If everyone the GOP and Trump has insulted refused to vote for them, they’d get 5% of the vote.
I don’t have a problem with conservative voters being “tired” of liberal voters and grumbling about them and trying to elect responsible conservative candidates to thwart the liberal voters’ political aims. As a liberal voter, I do the same back at them. I mean, that’s just par for the course in a democracy.
I have a big problem with conservative voters being so irrationally overinvested in their exasperation with liberal voters that they voluntarily support for high political office the most irresponsible unqualified corrupt buffoon of a demagogue that they can find because he’s the one who pisses off the liberals the most.
Being “tired of people like me” is not a valid excuse for deliberately deciding to shoot the whole country in the nuts by supporting an obstreperously incompetent narcissist as its Chief Executive.
I’ve already addressed that point in this thread.
I have no problem having a reasonable debate over issues like affirmative action or anti-discrimination or illegal immigration. And I don’t think everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi.
But some people really are Nazis. Literal Nazis with swastikas and “Heil Hitler” salutes. They’re not a liberal fantasy; they’re out marching in the streets. These people really exist and they really are deplorable.
And somebody that would rather have Jefferson Davis as President than Barack Obama? Yes, that person is deplorable too. I don’t know if they’re deplorably offensive or deplorably ignorant or deplorably racist. But there’s no non-deplorable option on the list.
Republicans need to remember that there are moral standards that rise above partisan politics.
Are half Trump’s voters Nazis?
Yes, I agree.
Answer my question, please: will there come any point at which you might say, “Perhaps this strategy of fearlessly insulting half the voters in the country is not going as well as it seemed it would?”
What alleged “strategy of fearlessly insulting half the voters in the country”, Counselor? It has been patiently explained to you more than once that insulting half of all Trump supporters is not the same as insulting half of all voters.
Did she call them xenophobic ? I understand that she called xenophobic the xenophobic.
And if somebody says xenophobic are deplorable and you feel insulted, that doesn’t mean she thinks you’re xenophobic. It means YOU think you’re xenophobic.
The same goes with those other groups.
And I’m not too surprised with this Jefferson Davis thing, we all saw that there are lots of people who would prefer the actual Hitler as president over anybody.
None of them voted Hitlery…
For me, at least, it’s not a strategy. It’s unmitigated revulsion. Perhaps that simply betrays my lack of political savvy, but nonetheless… there is a percentage of trump supporters who are in fact deplorable.
I don’t know how many times I have to say it: Start treating voters like you own a restaurant…not a shitty independent Portland bookstore.
Show me where somebody said that.
Is there actually any evidence that Hillary Clinton even wanted votes from those deplorables?
Somehow I think she’s more picky than that.
Just caught this, and I just have to ask…what the fucking fukfuk are you talking about?
I was calling Bricker a snowflake, because 10 months later, he’s STILL crying about Clinton calling shitty people shitty. If you wanna be somebody, if you wanna go somewhere, you better wake up and pay attention.
Or you can be an idiot. It’s ok, **Okrahoma **and **Clothahump **need peers, otherwise no one will be able to sit on the jury when they inevitably go to trial for hitting a dirty lib’rul.
If only that was what happened…keep fucking that goat.