Sure. As long as you are prepared to do the same (obviously with my name switched for yours).
Deal!
He just tweeted a speech where he said we should all say thank you to a police officer.
I responded that a good friend is a police officer.
To say thank you, I bought him a new pair of hand-cuffs.
"I hope that you appreciate them, Donald. "
But a resignation is good too…
Unless he keels over first from natural causes (not unlikely despite his claims of perfect health), I really think he would commit suicide before admitting defeat and resigning.
No, I don’t want that to happen either.
Na, I’m suggesting that demanding an investigation and insisting on it’s merit, presupposes the guilt of the accused. *
Actually, theoretically I would agree Mr. Trump has been treated exceptionally unfairly by a media that loathes him, but I can’t say it keeps me up nights.
Putin was very funny the other day in the press conference when he threatened to send the Ambassador to Siberia for getting all these great secrets out of Trump and then forgetting to share.
- Interestingly enough, in that great quote adapted from during Jurgen’s discussion in Hell, it was written at a time when anti-Russian hysteria was overboard: I yield to none in my despising of democratic bolshevism but really, half the time, anti-communists were equally nuts.
As with Trumpo, I doubt if Sacco and Vanzetti were truly innocent in their hearts, yet one may be disquieted at the process of condemnation.
*“Why, merely this,” says Jurgen, and again he looked severely toward Satan: “I tell you that as long as sentimental weakness marks the prosecution of offences in violation of the laws necessitated by war-time conditions; as long as deserved punishment for overt acts of pro-Celestialism is withheld; as long as weak-kneed clemency condones even a suspicion of disloyal thinking: then just so long will a righteously incensed, if now and then misguided patriotism take into its own hands vengeance upon the offenders.”
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So what are you suggesting? No investigation should ever be initiated unless we can demonstrate beforehand what its results will be? That’s ridiculous. The purpose of an investigation is to find evidence - which may indicate guilt or innocence.
I just want to point out that the rumor about Trump going to a hospital ward for terminally ill children and complaining about how badly he is treated is false. There are some lines he has not crossed. Yet.
So, as I write, the most neutron-density narcissism he has displayed is bitching at the Coast Guard Commencement? Or did I miss something?
There will be jaw-droppingly narcissistic bitching during the upcoming international trip, so just hold on.
Not at all — although I prefer legal trials to investigations, so things are thrashed out in open court — simply that continual insistence on the need for investigation becomes self-fulfilling as far as guilt is concerned [ continual including the fact that if cleared of any Russian Spy stuff, there will still be calls for another ‘investigation’, then another to infinity, since the purpose is to force him from office — not to discover anything ], and that should nothing be found, Trump haters still won’t accept his exoneration.
The exact parallel of earlier state prosecution in the HUAC investigations — since most of the House’s later remit concerned ties with Russia — shows that guilt was generally assumed once an investigation was pronounced, simply because there was ‘an investigation’: ‘innocent people are not accused’.
Just as no-one volunteered to be’ investigated’ by Fouquier-Tinville’s tribunals…
The fact is that increasingly over the last 30 years the office of the president has been increasingly subject to obloquy and hatred from opponents ( yes, it was bad in the 19th century, but they generally stopped short of the gibbering lunacy associated with Obama haters and now Trump haters, along with in the case of the more rabid: graphic sexual detail ) exactly as the executive power of the presidency has been attenuated by economics. The real story of 2016 was not Trump as president ( hugely entertaining as that was ) — he actually can’t do that much for good or bad, same as Obama — but the conservative right takeover of Congress, who can, and will, enact all sorts of things.
Those opposed should generally forget about Trump and concentrate on capturing the Houses, and the States in 2018/2020. Then they can actually do stuff instead of beating their hands, howling and screaming, on the Trumpian adamantine bosom.
Investigations are things that must essentially precede a trial. You can’t have a trial and then an investigation. Any investigation is subject to questions about whether some evidence was not examined or not examined closely enough or whether the investigator did all they could. Given Robert Mueller’s exceptional reputation, absent additional evidence that might come out later, both Congressional Republicans and Democrats are likely to accept whether evidence and conclusions he sets forth. Mueller is noted for being exceptionally meticulous.
Ultimately, Republicans are largely the ones responsible for endless and repetitive Congressional investigations on the same subject (Benghazi).
HUAC investigations themselves were not prosecutions. That is the whole point of the blacklists. They weren’t official government punishments, but merely unofficial embargoes imposed by studios on certain individuals who were subjects of HUAC committee hearings and investigations. And we’re a long way from the late '40s/early '50s (or 1690s). There has been extensive reporting detailing numerous contacts between the Trump campaign (and nascent administration) and Russian officials. There is a consensus in the U.S. intelligence community that Russia was responsible for hacking into DNC computers and releasing their hacking gains to Wikileaks through intermediaries. An investigation is being called for to see if those two things are linked or whether there was any other kind of quid quo pro or illegal actions taken during these contacts. This isn’t “someone wrote that Trump is a secret communist on a bathroom stall and I heard a rumor that he once attended a few meetings ten years ago - better investigate.”
Why fleece the occasional contractor when you can fleece 25% of the country?
Trying to get Trump to resign, and trying to impeach Trump, are a bit incompatible. The harder people call for Trump to be impeached, the more he will dig in his heels out of spite.
One way Trump might resign might be if people stopped criticism of him, but his presidential workload and schedule was made all the more intense and grueling. He already dislikes the job, most likely.
But he deals with that by simply refusing to do the job, and running off to Mar-A-Lago and his various resorts. It’s not so much that he’s avoiding work as he wants to spend time on the work that interests him; stealing money from the taxpayer.
You can’t increase his workload if he’s a sociopath who flatly refuses to do it, which he is. We’ve seen his constant golfing trips. We know he won’t read anything he’s given unless it’s very short and mentions him a lot. The Secret Service isn’t going to force him at gunpoint to work. If Trump just wants to put in 25, 30 hours a week, including zero on the really unpleasant stuff, he will do that. (There are parts of the job he does like.)
So whaddya do? You’re saying he could be induced to resign by increasing his workload, but you can’t do that. The only way would be if his refusal to execute his duties was so bad that he was removed from office by his own Vice President and Cabinet, which they are not going to do.
Nice backwards thinking there. We can’t have an investigation to find out the facts of what occurred, because this presupposes guilt. So let’s proceed directly to trial, without any factual evidence having been collected. So the jury in the trial just casts some chicken bones about to determine what happened or what?
Tell you what - since having a trial first, and THEN an investigation works for you, how about execution first, THEN the trial, and finally an investigation?
I wasn’t aware the Republicans were that upset with Trump.
No, that’s a point! Investigation after investigation, recount after recount, and what? Trivial stuff like the National Security adviser being in the pay of a foreign country? Piffle. Putting the kibosh on a military action against ISIS? Pretty small potatoes! But the Trump haters want to make a big hairy ass deal out of the tiniest little thing!
Good catch there, Evan!
As the walls start to close in, he heads to Moscow for a “summit meeting” then asks for asylum in Russia. Putin hires him as mens’ room attendant in the Kremlin.
Seriously, he told the Russians in the Oval Office that getting rid of Comey took the pressure of the Russia investigation off him? How stupid is he?
Time to admit the truth- Americans elected an agent of a hostile foreign power as president.
And never let them forget: it was self-described “REAL 'Mur’cans” that put him there.
There are quite a few stories about increasing numbers of them thinking they’d all be better off with Pence not having to deal with Trump’s tantrums while he’s trying to run things for him. So yes, they are.
I’m not so worried about these things. I think many factors are in play with respect to whether Trump will resign and many good points have been made about him abruptly quitting even when he said he wouldn’t, or settling lawsuits when he swore he’d sue in court and the like.
But I am one who wholly expects Mueller’s investigation to yield serious criminal violations on the part of Trump and many of his cohorts. I think when it all comes to light, many will be shocked and horrified at the extent to which our democratic republic has been imperiled by this crowd.
I think Trump stays in the presidency for as long as possible in an attempt to shield himself from prosecution and will not willingly leave the office for that reason. Once he leaves office, however that occurs, he will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. He’s not going to be holding rallies or ginning up his befuddled supporters. He’ll be practicing how to keep his soap on a rope.
The Watergate investigation did not yield up only Nixon. Forty-eight government officials suffered criminal convictions out of sixty-nine charged.
I’m tired of comparisons between Trump’s troubles and Watergate, because frankly, Watergate was a day at the county fair compared to what is happening here. Shenanigans between Republicans and Democrats stealing confidential election information looks positively quaint today in comparison to infiltration of our government at the highest levels by a hostile foreign government.
Trump’s potential offenses are so much worse. I believe the fallout will be far more significant as well, when all is said and done. There will be little left to admire by Trump’s supporters.
The real question is, how long will we as a nation allow the corporate .001% control the message to our people through their funding of these alt-right wingnut “news” outlets?
So, if it gets that far, won’t President Pence/Ryan/Hatch/Tillerson/whoever follows Tillerson just pardon Trump, if he doesn’t try to pardon himself first? Do we have odds on any of that?