Or just be arrested for treason. That seems to be Trump’s go-to accusation these days.
However, with MAGA, has sacrosanctity ever put the brakes on their wishes? I would have thought that behaving like an adult while using facts during a debate is sacrosanct. I would have thought that mention of “eating cats and dogs” would torpedo a candidate’s chances, and ten years ago it would have. But now, no way. Nothing is sacrosanct anymore, nothing.
So, Trump and his ilk expecting/demanding (or whatever the appropriate verb is) a third term can happen without shame or reservation and, if Trump doesn’t die and can continue to be propped up by his Stephen Miller, et al, scaffolding. This could become a Trump version of the Star Trek episode with John Gill and the Nazis.
Sorry for missing that. In my defense, there are people in this very thread saying constitutionality would be an impediment.
Anyway, I don’t think that this thread is for arguing whether he can, it’s whether he wants to run and plans on staying in power. We’ve never had a president since the term limits were in place that was so brazen about sticking around for a 3rd term.
And, knocking down the East Wing so he can build that ridiculous ballroom is just more evidence, to me, that he’s planning on sticking around, or trying to.
I guess my point isn’t so much about how Trump and his allies view the 2-term limit, but how the public does. I just don’t see how (assuming a functioning primary and general election) Trump gets fairly re-elected for a third term. As much as Trump likes to talk up a massive victory in 2024, he won the popular vote by 1.5% and the tipping point state ¶ by 1.7%.
Now, plenty of folks in this thread have argued for one of the three other possibilities: suspension of elections, rigging of elections, or running as a VP and then assuming the presidency.
I guess all of those have some level of plausibility, but I’d put them all pretty low at this point. The first would basically lead directly to some sort of significant civil unrest, the second is pretty hard to do in our federal system (unless they try to force it straight through the House/Senate by ignoring actual EV counts), and I don’t see the public playing along with the third.
I actually take the ballroom shenanigans as the opposite of a signal he wants to stick around. This reads to me as an old man worried about his death and legacy. He knows most of his accomplishments are transitory, to be quickly undone by the next Democratic president. The one thing that might last is literally building a monument to himself at the White House. I’m sure in his mind it will be forever called the “Trump Ballroom” and he will become immortal.
I think it’s adorable people believe there will still be a country in 2028
Aka The Gilded Scrotum.
There will still almost certainly be a United States in 2028 barring some civilization-ending catastrophe but it will likely be a democracy in serious decline if not in name only. I think most people are still somehow not cognizant of just how devoted the GOP is in undermining democratic norms, hobbling protections of civil liberties, and dismantling the administrative state but they still love the pageantry of governance even if the refuse to do the hard work of actually maintaining the stage. I am not so sanguine of a coherent political authority or a functioning apparatus of federal government in, say, 2035, especially once ‘climate catastrophes’ seriously impact major parts of the national and global economies in obvious ways.
*golf clap*
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“Evidence has been discovered that [Gavin Newsom or whoever] is a leader of a terrorist group that arranged Charlie Kirk’s death as well as [some subsequent Reichstag fire.] Therefore in accordance with US law, he will be hanged on the North Lawn at 2pm tomorrow.”
(somehow the “evidence” is never presented)
Bannon stating that “permanent control” for MAGA was the goal, necessary to continue the MAGA mission begun by Trump, was a pretty telling statement. Because what he was clearly indicating was a call for permanent control without the pesky necessity of winning majorities in elections.
If Trump really could do that he would have. Instead the best he can do is get the most pathetic indictments possible filed by the most incompetent attorneys to ever work at DOJ. It would be laughable if not for the huge legal fees it takes to defend oneself against these charges.
Bannon’s quite open about it. “Trump will be President in 2028 and people need to get accommodated to that.” They do not care what the Constitution says. They do not plan to give up power, period. When they are saying it outright, and keep saying it, pretending they don’t really mean it is foolish to the point of suicide.
Yeah but can’t the accused sue the DOJ for millions if they aren’t convicted? Isn’t that standard procedure?
It’s interesting how Trump is trying to get rid of Maduro - a guy that basically did what Trump was trying to do via the false electors scheme - since, while the US Foreign State department and CIA, etc. objected on legal grounds, he’s basically Trump’s hero and a guy to get to know and study from.
I have to assume that he’s either just passionate about getting the Peace Nobel or getting access to oil.
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I mean, Trump will be president in 2028 unless he dies. The new president, if there is one, doesn’t get sworn in until January, 2029, right?
That’s the prevailing theory.
Here’s a free link to a summary Bannon’s interview.
I think we need to consider the distinct possibility that Steve Bannon is full of shit and talking out of his ass.
Bannon has been saying this for years even before the 06 January 2021 failed insurrection (which he criticized for not being well-organized and backed, and also claimed that Gen. Mark Milley should have been court-martialed for refusing Trump’s orders to attack protestors and shoot at their legs) and people have ignored him as a kind of gross, trolling clown. Although he generally stayed out of the limelight in Trump’s ‘interregnum’ he was certainly part of the effort building support for Trump to return, and I think the fact that this isn’t getting more attention is a foolish lapse of media responsibility, as is treating the “Trump 2028” merch as a kind of joke with no intent behind it. How much history do we need to perceive that as stupid as he sounds, when Trump says things like this he often means it, and his followers lap it up like greedy piglets at the trough.
I think we also need to consider the fact that you have consistently and energetically made predictions about how Trump couldn’t do this or wouldn’t get away with that which have been demonstrated as wrong when he does actually do them and is not held to account. I’ll take your opinion for what it is worth based upon the evidence.
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Some observations by historian Tad Stoermer about Steve Bannon’s Trump third term ‘bluster’:
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