Trump's Republican primary campaign

Not on the video I saw. You know, the one you linked.

In the words of Andy Dufresne, Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Who hit whom? Think I’ll answer my own question, since you’ll just evade it again anyway. The police committed actual, you know, violence on the protesters. What you claim as ‘violence’ on the part of the crowd of protesters is not backing up when the police told them to and a couple of them jumping over barriers. I wonder, if you were hit by a cop, would you think it was violence? I guess that all depends which story you’re trying to sell at the time.

The narrator from that conservative whatsis I’ve never heard of? Of course I trust any voice speaking over a scene. Seriously, if you wanted to show a fight, would you flash ‘Fight’ in huge white letters over it? Once again, give me a break.

Ah the justification. All I had to do was keep reading. Wrong, but again, nice try.

Ooh good for you. That’s two by my count.

Then maybe you should wait until that happens instead of using it as a BS cite.

Don’t bother answering this, you’ll just justify your argument by saying black is white, up is down, and the sun rises in the evening and sets in the morning.

For some reason, this seems the appropriate place to post this. Famous insults, from:

Politics in the age of the instant insult

Churchill:

:black_medium_small_square:On Labour Prime Minister Clement Atlee: “A modest man, who has much to be modest about”
:black_medium_small_square:On Labour Chancellor Stafford Cripps: “There but for the grace of God, goes God”
:black_medium_small_square:On his predecessor as Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain: “He looked at foreign affairs through the wrong end of a municipal drainpipe”
:black_medium_small_square:On World War Two commander Gen Montgomery: “In defeat unbeatable, in victory unbearable”
:black_medium_small_square:On 19th Century Liberal Prime Minister William Gladstone: “Mr. Gladstone read Homer for fun, which I thought served him right”

(I’ll grant that Homer is a bit dry, but interesting to those of us who like mythology.)

Told by Lord Sandwich he would die either on the gallows or of the pox, radical MP John Wilkes replied: “That depends, my Lord, whether I embrace your mistress or your principles.”

Assault with a tombstone. News at 11!

We’d really miss them if they left, and it would dislocate the economy no end.

Bullshit. See post #3541.

Trump said something stupid (yeah, I know that’s not exactly news).
http://fox59.com/2016/04/14/donald-trump-asks-confused-pittsburgh-crowd-hows-joe-paterno/

(Video at link)

He’s talking about the statue. Duh. Not that it would be any kind of negative mark if he wasn’t aware that Paterno had died.

So Trump is cool with the idea of bringing a statue back of a guy who did nothing while knowing that one of his assistants raped little boys? Glad to get Trump on record for that.

. . . No. No, I won’t.

Here you go. If Trump supporters instigated confrontations by going to a Bernie rally in the thousands and being violent, causing the rally to be shut down, and then chanted "Trump Trump"the Bernie Bros and the media would be screaming and crying so loud you would think that the Fourth Reich had arrived. And everyone here knows it.

The protesters were using the police for NFL lineman practice for Christ’s sake. You have amazingly selective outrage.

It’s quite easy to ascertain from the video that the narrator was correctly identifying the two groups. Again, look at the hat, buttons, and signs.

You know quite well that if Trump supporters were trying to shut down a Bernie rally by blocking roads that you, the Bernie Bros, and the media would be wildly outraged, and rightfully so.

You seem to have trouble numbering.

Now you aren’t even making any effort to hide your yuuuuge bias. You are demanding a conviction now? How many of the incidents that you cited have resulted in a conviction?

I would miss only miss the one who I am friends with. He has been deported numerous times and has some minor crimes on his record though, so he will never be legal under any of the schemes favored by any of the candidates. I might also miss the cheap steaks and veggies that come from the slaughterhouses and farms staffed by illegal immigrants.

Of course it would effect the economy. America has always had laborers who were second class citizens in one way or another, starting with the slaves. It’s our addiction, and it’s time to kick the habit. The effect on everyone would not be a net negative economic effect either, some people would come out ahead of where they are now, were a slight labor shortage allowed to develop. The people who came out ahead would be dis-proportionally young, poor, and minority.

That doesn’t address my point at all. That just shows that some effort is put into enforcing immigration law. That doesn’t mean that the level of effort is anywhere near the degree of lip service that is given to the issue by pandering politicians, or that it is any where near the level of enforcement that people concerned with illegal immigrants want. There are still over 10 million illegal immigrants present. We spend far more on aid to Africa. Most Americans think that reducing foreign aid would be a good way to reduce the debt. And many would rather have the money spent here at home reducing the number of illegal immigrants in the country.

Trump is one brilliant mother fucker.

He is baiting Clinton into going after him on this, to give him a chance to counter punch with something far more politically fatal.

I imagine Clinton is smart enough to resist taking the bait. It won’t stop Trump, though. *Someone *will bring up the issue of Paterno’s alleged enabling and defense of pedos and then WHAM.

Uh-huh. She mounted a vigorous defense for her client, as was her job. Real scandal, that is. Let’s see, that article is almost three months old. Wonder why it isn’t burning up the media already.

Og, you make it sound like we’d be doing these people a favor, emancipating them, by kicking them out of the country. We’re not talking about slaves here. Slaves try to sneak off the plantation, not onto it.

What it shows is that illegal immigration almost certainly is not the kind of problem, if problem it be, that can be solved by throwing more money at it.

Yes, but in Pittsburgh?

Reminds me of Sarah Palin talking about the Phillies.

You a funny man . Trump is trying like hell to get you to leave him alone so he don’t have to be president, but you won’t listen. You like him a lot more than he likes you.

Most slaves never tried to sneak off of the plantation, actually. They just accepted their fate.

There are all kinds of miserable, desperate, people all over the world. Very many of them far worse off than those in Mexico. Just because a life of squalor and hard labor here, as second or third class citizens, would be an improvement over their current situation, doesn’t mean that it is moral or practical to bring them here and exploit their situation.

No, it doesn’t show that at all. Otherwise we wouldn’t be spending money to help Tunisia build a border wall. More than money, however, it is the missing political will to actually address the problem that keeps anything real from happening. This is because the business interests and upper-class people represented by establishment politicians benefit from the dirt-cheap labor that the mass influx of immigrants provides by quelling any sort of demand driven rise in wages.

Give it a rest. I’m done arguing with you. I don’t care anymore to pick holes in unreasonable arguments only for you to come back with more tortured and unreasonable ones.

But, of course, you’ll have something to say on the subject. I can’t say why, because I might get warned again. But I know you will.

You don’t have to convince me. I support everyone’s right to have a defense lawyer.

But some of the statements that she made are going to be very very hard for her to deal with politically. It is clear that she knew he was guilty of raping the 12 year old, and bragged about getting him off, casually and jovially discussing the guy’s underwear which was covered in blood that presumably came from the child he had raped.

Exclusive: ‘Hillary Clinton Took Me Through Hell,’ Rape Victim Says

This is going to be very very hard for her to deal with. And then add in her alleged attacks on women who have accused her husband of rape and sexual misconduct. Then we have her husband’s friendship and joyrides on the rape-plane of convicted pedo Jeffrey Epstien. It is going to be very simple and effective for Trump to cast her as a woman who uses her position to enable and protect sexual abusers of women and children.

It’s going to be very hard for her to square her behavior with her statements:
Hillary to Sexual Assault Victims: “You Have The Right To Be Heard, You Have The Right To Be Believed”

For one, the media isn’t hell bent on assassinating Hillary’s character like they are Trump’s. But the biggest reason is that Trump knows enough to keep his powder dry, and to wait until he can see the whites of her eyes. Most people have not heard about most of this stuff. If Trump gets the nomination he will bring it up and the media will have no choice but to explore it. And once it gets rolling, whoever covers it in the most salacious manner will get the best ratings, of course.

One of the key tenets of good (i.e. evil) management is that whatever bad things your underlings do, it isn’t your fault. Especially if you have plausible deniability about knowing. Even (or especially) if they were actually doing it under your orders.

Trump wanting to rehabilitate Paterno is totally in character even if Trump was, arguendo, a total crusader against child/teen abuse.
More likely than my theory above is that Trump was just doing his usual attempt to say something local to raise a cheer from the crowd. And as so often happens he flubs the dub when looked at more closely.

Like that great Southwest Airlines ad a couple years ago: The rock band is on stage, warming up the cheering crowd. The lead singer yells “We love you Deee-Troit!!” The crowd falls silent. Lead singer is baffled. Another musician stage-whispers: “Detroit was *last *night!”. Oops. Voiceover: Wanna get away? blah blah Southwest blah blah …"
The fun challenge with Trump is he does mean something. He does stand for something. He does intend, if elected, to do something. But it’s real hard to discern any of that from the semi-random stuff that comes foaming out of his face. Even setting aside the incoherent syntax. As such he’s sort of a Rorschach blot.

I do know he’s made it clear that thoughtful people shouldn’t want to find out the hard way whatever the heck Trumpism really is.

We don’t “bring” them here and, despite what Trump says, Mexico does not “send” them here. They come here of their own volition so they can earn more money than they can in Mexico. Many come with the intention of working only a short time and returning. Some grow disillusioned when they learn that while they are earning dollars instead of pesos, they are also spending dollars instead of pesos and costs of living are much higher in the U.S. Some are indeed “exploited” – by employers who underpay them, knowing an undocumented immigrant does not dare complain to the law. And many are exploited by the coyotes to whom they went in debt to be helped across the border. The ones you can hire in the Home Depot parking lot are probably not exploited and do not feel exploited. In any case, if they feel exploited they can always go home, nobody’s stopping them. More Mexicans have left the U.S. than entered in the past several years.

The presence of large numbers of undocumented Mexican immigrants in the U.S. might depress wages in certain not very important (as far as jobs go) areas of the economy. Otherwise, it really does not constitute a problem. That immigrants are more likely than natives to commit crimes, carry diseases, depend on public assistance, that they pay no taxes, all these are myths easily debunked. And American hostility to Mexican immigrants is beyond a doubt rooted in racism to some degree; things would be very different if the immigration pressure were coming from an impoverished Third-World Canada.

The last thing we need to be spending money on is a wall along the border.