If they were online polls, then the results can easily be rigged. Not by Trump himself, but supporters can easily vote repeatedly on sites which only use browser cookies to keep track of users. I read that Trump supporters on Reddit were sending out such info. Hillary supporters could have done the same thing as well.
So in an online poll, the results just tell you whose supporters were more motivated to abuse the voting system.
As you know, I did not say Trump rigged the polls.
The polls belonging to Trump were indeed rigged though. As you well know.
Or perhaps you don’t like that phraseology.
Online polls are not really “polls” at all. People can vote multiple times. Bots can vote. Votes can be made from outside the country.
The best that can be said is that they are an indication of how “devoted” your supporters are, and perhaps what unethical lengths your supporters are willing to stoop to. So in that case, Trump did indeed “win” in that he had the most devoted and unethical following.
Indeed, in fact the CNBC, Slate and many others are informal polls, that is: the ones that can be manipulated by many. But even Slate looked at the one where pollsters did ask about how the devate did go.
Same can be seen at CNBC, that advices on how their poll is just for fun really:
Vox has one of the best explanations about this:
Since Trump has been deluded by those Internet polls. **The lesson here is that Trump has demonstrated why he should not be president. **
He his now clearly demonstrating how willing he is to fall for misleading information, **much more than Bush the lesser was. **
And then, Trump is just setting himself up to be grossly unprepared as he is following faulty information and he will double down on his failed tactics going to the next debates.
Not Trump personally - I doubt he’s particularly internet savvy - but people from Breitbart.com working with posters at 4chan’s white-nationalist sympathizing /pol/ and various Reddit groups.
Then they all got pissy about his 400 lb hacker slam.
Pepe’s post-debate identity crisis: Online alt-right turns on Donald Trump after his presidential debate fiasco
Donald Trump’s Online Trolls Turn on Their ‘God Emperor’
4chan and Reddit bombarded debate polls to declare Trump the winner
I know Conway and the staff are too smart to buy this. But I wonder about their candidate. He might just be using this talking point to fool the idiots in his base…but he might actually believe this, right?
So, GulfTiger is it your contention that these “polls” represent objective reality, that is, you think that they show that the majority of the population of the United States considers Trump to be the overall winner of this past debate? Yes or No.
The only poll that will matter is on a Tuesday in November.
The movement in national and key state polls over the next week are the best proxy we have for impacting that result.
And the less unscientific polls are the best proxy we have we have for what that movement will be over the next week. But we won’t have to wait too long for next week.
Meanwhile enough people saw this for themselves that they will come to their own conclusion. My own unscientific poll of undecideds (a few usually GOP leaning voters who are wanting to justify voting for Trump because they fear how high they believe Clinton will raise their taxes - these are high earners - and who already dislike Clinton) is that this debate did not get them to move over to Clinton but pushed them away from Trump.
So… you have a perception that some polls have been wrong in the past. This is undoubtedly true.
From there, you proceed to pretty much discount the entire scientific process of data collection, analysis and interpretation. You “don’t trust anyone.” Is this pretty much it? How do you think we should decide on how to proceed with things like medical research studies then? Do an internet “poll”? Cast chicken bones? What?
