Trump's Shutdown

Stupid sociopathic scumbag says what?

Yes.

The Pledge of Allegiance
The National Anthem
The Oath of Citizenship
The American Flag
Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942)

… and more!

Well, I guess when your philosophy is, “Burn it all down! Self-government is for chumps!”, then a message of compassion, treating people well and helping people with problems instead of condemning them might seem cultish.

Wtf pissed you off so much that you basically side with the Russians in wanting to destabilize the USA?

You read it here:

Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase and one of the three most influential people on the Street says the shutdown has a very real chance of killing Q1 growth figures:

I know Republicans are logic-challenged, but I can’t believe this paradox isn’t causing at least a few of them to question their fearless leader.
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[li]I agree with Trump that we need a wall for border security[/li][li]Trump waited until he’d lost a Republican House majority before insisting that funding for the wall be included in the budget[/li][/ol]
How are GOP leaders possibly spinning this so it makes sense?

Their base are fucking morons, they’re not hard to fool.

Yes, but how? What possible excuse are they using for why, if he thought it was so fucking important, Trump didn’t push for wall funding while his party controlled the House?

He actually did several times, and Congress passed stop-gap measures to keep the government funded for a few more months without coming to a resolution on the Wall. Somehow, the Republican majority weren’t so gung-ho about approving it, but kept their mouths shut.

That’s the way McConnell operates. He imposes delays till after election results. In Obama’s case, he wouldn’t convene meetings for the vacant Supreme court seat until Obama was out of office. This time, he stalled on approving the Wall so that the incoming Democrat House majority would take the blame.

McWattle knew the Wall was a boondoggle, but he wasn’t going to speak against Trump because he’s all about party unity. This way, the Wall becomes an issue between Trump and the Dems. Remember, he’s had 8 years experience undermining Obama. He knows all about long-term timing and goals.

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Yeah, I get all that, but how do they sell the idea to their base?

“Back when we controlled both houses of Congress, we were perfectly content to pass stop-gap measures that didn’t include wall funding, but now that Dems control the House it’s suddenly much more important.”

I realize many GOP voters only see “Trump wants wall / Dems say no / Trump is strong to resist,” but why aren’t they asking what happened the last two years?

More generally, I think being a Republican these days means not asking a lot of questions. Consider:

-“There is no border security without a wall!”
Um, most of them fly in and overstay their visas. You could look it up.

-“Drugs are pouring across the border, necessitating a wall!”
Um, look at the El Chapo trial. They smuggled drugs through tunnels, in boats, planes, trains, trucks and cars, but really not across the open border. You could verify this from the transcript, or ask our very own fucking border patrol.

-“Mexicans are diseased rapists!!!1!1!!”
Um, puh leeze.

And so on. The workings of Congress? I don’t think they get it.

Because they are stupid. This is really all we need to know. I doubt if the majority of Trump voters have any any clue whatsovever about how legislation is passed, or how budgets are voted on.

A good disciple does not question the Messiah.

Aren’t they deplorable?

I think there are a goodly portion of them, like coal miners, who just want to keep their jobs and way of life.

The great majority of them are more interested in hurting other people. And their “way of life” that they want to keep usually *revolves *around hurting people.

Am I the only one who noticed this testament to Donald J. Trump’s negotiating prowess? Dems rebuff Trump invite, thwarting effort to bypass Pelosi

Dems standing united behind Pelosi; who’d thunk it?

If Dems are smart, they’ll negotiate with the real decision makers: Trump’s ministers of bullshit Limbaugh, Coulter and Hannity.

Good gracious! Whatever will become of the punditocracy’s beloved “Dems in disarray” narrative? However will they go on without it?

Their jobs are gone, and their way of life depends on them being elevated above minorities.

That the pine for a time that isn’t coming back, and that they are nostalgic for a time that was a nightmare for their fellow citizens, doesn’t make their desires any more noble or less unrealistic.

Rather than accept that times have changed, that we no longer employee large numbers of men wielding picks and shovels to dig out fossilized trees from the ground to burn, that we no longer treat minorities as second class citizens, they prefer to see their fellow citizens suffer, and will take action to ensure that suffering, simply out of spite that they don’t feel as though they should have to change.