That’s gonna spoil 'er box.
Actually, a lot of people DO like spoilers. Someone was sufficiently invested in The Wire to get a bootleg of the season ending, and post it to YouTube, where lots of other people who like The Wire watched it, knowing that it was a spoiler for a show they like. On top of that, there’re plenty of people who don’t care one way or the other, because their investment in a show isn’t predicated on not knowing the outcome. And of course, there are the people who do care about spoilers, but don’t care that much about them. At least, not to the extent exhibited by Trunk in the original thread, which could be charitably described as a tad excessive.
Spoiler for the works of Henry James:
It’s really fucking boring.
I like spoilers. In fact, when I read fiction novels, I read the last chapter first.
Harry?
Miller, it’s not just about “knowing the outcome” ahead of time. It affects the whole viewing experience – the story unfolds in a different way when you know what’s gonna happen. And where surprise or shock is an element of the spoiler – well, that’s gone.
I’m skeptical about characterizing someone who posts bootlegs of unaired scenes on YouTube as a “fan”. Attention whore and party pooper is more like it.
Sorry, I don’t get the reference.
In the movie “When Harry Met Sally” , Harry’s character ‘proves’ he has a dark side by confessing that he always reads the ends to books first, so that if he happens to die while reading it, he’ll know how it ends.
So, some one can only be a ‘fan’ if they don’t like spoilers? News to me.
Oh, okay. Thanks.
That’s not what I said. Or it’s not what I tried to say.
It’s one thing for me to decide to read the spoiler thread at TWOP. It’s quite another for me to share what I read there with others.
The kind of fan who posts bootlegs or drops spoilers on a message board has no respect for the work or for people who want to see the show as it was intended to be shown. If that sounds elitist, so be it.
Many of us think The Wire is pretty damn special – maybe that makes us too protective. I don’t know if you’re a fan or not, but if you’re not, and if you told me you were going to start watching, there’s no way I’d even hint at what you’re going to see.
Sorry, but you do, indeed seem to be saying that (paraphrase) ‘anyone who doesn’t mind spoilers isn’t really a fan’. GOod for you, that you like the show. and have others who enjoy it in exactly the same manner you do. But to submit that anyone who posts bootlegs or drops spoilers has no respect for the work is, IMHO, bullfucking shit. Especially since the thread in question, contatined spoilers was noted as such.
Not everybody is annoyed by spoilers. Does’nt make them less of a fan. Deal.
I’m sorry, I don’t see what about my post your disagreeing with. Some people don’t want to know how a story turns out ahead of time, and have their experience reduced when they do. Some people want to know how a story turns out ahead of time, and have their experience enhanced when they do. And some people don’t care one way or the other, and their viewing experience is unaffected by knowledge of spoilers. I’m not suggesting that one approach is superior to any other approach, I’m just pointing out (to a poster who said, “no one like spoilers”) that there are, in fact, multiple approaches to appreciating a given work.
No? What about the people who watch it? Are they not fans, either? If they’re not fans, why would they bother watching the video in the first place?
So… there’s nothing wrong with reading spoilers… but posting spoilers is beyond the pale? I think I’m missing something from your reasoning, here, because I can’t make heads or tails out of this.
Dex stated that “open spoilers” for a specific episode does NOT mean “spoilers for the end of the show.” The only permissible spoilers in that thread were for the ep that was named in the thread title. The regulars to The Wire threads had a consensus about that-- we don’t even discuss the previews aired after the show. That’s the convention, and people have come to expect it’ll be that way when labeled as such. Haven’t we been over this many times with the Harry Potter stuff?
Posting spoilers such as the one posted in that thread shows a lack of respect for * the other fans*. If people don’t want to know how it ends until they watch it, they should have that right, no? Doing otherwise is being an asshole (yes, I realize Fever apologized, and I’m not trying to continue to berate her, but in general, people who get off on ruining other people’s enjoyment of the suspense involved in watching something unfold are assholes IMO). I think respect for other posters is more important than “respect for the show,” whatever that is.
Sure, they’re fans, whatever. Regardless, spoilers do not belong in threads where people do not expect them. I think that’s pretty much in the sticky on top of CS. What is the problem with wanting people to respect that rule?
Ruby, dear, I was addressing the point Auntie Pam made, so none of your reply really makes a fucking difference to me, thanks, anyhow. Pam’s point was people who drop spoilers couldn’t be fans. And, even w/the disclaimer about oh, but spoilers about the end of the season is different, I still submit to you that (brace yourself) folks differ in their ways to enjoy leisure activities, and it doesn’t mean one set is better than another and it certainly doesn’t mean that one set isn’t a ‘fan’ or ‘lacks respect for the work’ etc.
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But thanks for your ever so polite response anyhow. :rolleyes: Your point about how the thread “contained spoilers” was bullshit due to being incorrect, if that makes a fucking difference to you.
And this:
Brace yourself: not everyone agrees with this either. Interfering with how other people enjoy their leisure activities by posting spoilers you read during your leisure activity is disrespectful to both the show and the fans. If the writers of the show wanted us to know how it ended halfway through the season, I’m sure they’d find a way to let us know. They show it one ep at a time, once a week, for a reason, no? It unfolds in a certain way, and a lot of people want to enjoy it in that way. This is not a hard concept.
You choose to be spoiled, that’s totally cool. It’s your business. But your right to do that doesn’t trump other people’s right not to know about it. People who respect other fans’ right to watch the show unfold as it was intended to are “better” fans than those who don’t IMO. YMMV, as I’m sure it will since this is going to get into another idiotic slapfight. I’m not sure why I’m bothering to try to discuss this, since you’ve got your bitch on now (and mine never comes off).
Jeez, you seem to have a problem with the word “spoiler”, and the phrase “let go”:
This was 50 or so posts back.
Ruby sweetkins, you really aren’t grasping the point, are you? Let me try and clear it up for you. I was addressing only Pam’s post #105 wherin she suggested that folks posting spoilers ‘couldn’t be fans’. (which you seem to agree is nonsense, in your post 113).
She then ‘clarified’ it to suggest that anyone who posted spoilers, “had no respect for the work” (her post, 110). TO which I said 'bullfucking shit". Since, well, it is. Especially since the thread in question **contained spoilers. ** See how that worked? She had been posting in a thread containing spoliers and suggested that folks who posted spoilers had no respect for the work. (which doesn’t need to have the clarification of end o season or episode spoilers, since, she wasn’t differentiating it herself. But, ya know, even if she did, I still would say ‘bullfucking shit’ since different folks enjoy things differently - I’ll get to your ‘refutation’ of that in a moment).
Then you carefully quoted my comments and addressed the issue of ‘end of season spoilers vs. episode spoilers’ and “rules violations”. But, since I wasn’t commenting on any of that, I thought it odd that you quoted me to “respond” to (see, I used quotation marks around ‘respond’ 'cause, you know, you weren’t actually responding to the point I was making, since I wasn’t talking about which kind of spoilers or rules, I was commenting on ‘could some one who posted spoilers be considered a fan of the show in question’, to which I answer a resounding yes, which, again, you seem to agree with).
The thread in question, did indeed fucking contain spoilers. Perhaps not intending to have “end of season spoilers”, but it did indeed contain spoilers. It said so in the thread title. The fact that you want to focus on the difference between end o season and episode, doesn’t mean that I wanted to, or did. 'cause I don’t and didn’t.
And as for proof of
- I agree w/it. So your statement that “not everyone agrees w/my statement” is, well, um, wrong. And it appears, also that Miller is making a similar point in his post 112.
I get that the poster in question did something that affected the level of enjoyment of others in the thread, by (in my opinion) not having a clear understanding about what the folks in Cafe Society at SDMB mean by “spoilers”. But I didn’t care about that issue, nor was I commenting on it.
The only thing I was commenting on is the issue that Pam suggested that some one couldn’t really be considered to be a fan of the work if they liked spoilers, since they’d then be ‘seeing/experiencing’ it in a way other than the one intended by those who created the work. To which I still say “bullfucking shit”. Folks enjoy things in different ways.
Now, do you get it?
I don’t give a rat’s ass about the thread in question, the show in question, the issue of ‘episode’ vs. ‘end o season’ spoiler. I understand that some fans of shows are absolutely driven in their desire to experience the show exactly one way. Fine for them. It’s not the only way for some one to enjoy it.
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wring, sweetface, it’s Rubystreak, not Ruby. Ruby is someone else. I’m sure you know that, though.
Folks posting spoilers can be fans. But they’re shitty fans, possibly attention whores and/or party poopers. Do YOU grasp MY point?
The rest of your post is TLDR, esp. for someone who claims not to give a rat’s ass about the issues in question. Don’t you have something better to be incredibly nasty about today, wring my dear?
My fault. The way I phrased that sounded like I do read the spoiler thread at TWOP – I don’t. (If my doctor told me I had a week to live, then I’d read it.)
wring, I can’t match your vitriol and I’m not sure where it’s coming from. It’s simply unfathomable to me that someone who considers themselves to be a fan of a show would want it spoiled.
Why else are critics and reviewers – books, movies, TV – so careful about spoilers? Because most people don’t want to be spoiled!
Edited to add that I posted in a thread containing spoilers because the spoilers contained in that thread were supposed (and understood) to be about the current episode only.