Trunk, which part of "stop hijacking this thread" did you not understand?

I shorten most folks’ names. It wasn’t intended to offend, sorry if it did.

I grasp your opinion I think it’s pretty fucking arrogant to claim that one person is less of a fan 'cause they don’t enjoy it the same way you do. Some folks love chocolate, especially milk chocolate and in milk. Others prefer dark chocolate and in bar form. IT would be pretty fucking arrogant in my book for the dark chocolate lover to suggest that the other was ‘less of a fan’ of chocolate for their individual preferences on how to enjoy something they both claim to enjoy

Funny comment from some one who claimed to have ‘let it go’ some time ago.

Most people does not equal all. What I don’t get is the audacity for some one to assert that theirs is the only proper way to enjoy a leisure activity.

God, I hate to get into semantics. Watching a show without being spoiled isn’t “the only proper way to enjoy it”. But it’s the best way. :stuck_out_tongue:

You don’t actually grasp what I’m saying. I’m not saying don’t enjoy it the way you want to. I’m saying… keep that shit to yourself. You don’t have the right to share it wherever you want.

Yeah, I never fucking let anything go, you heard?

I apologized in this thread because I took the blame for the spoilers because I wrote the thread title as “open spoilers.” Dex them came in and clarified that point. Despite that, you harped on the idea that there were spoilers in that thread, so it was OK to post that link. There weren’t, not like you mean it. I’m kind of sick of the way you and others in this thread were using that piece of misinformation to promulgate a point that I think is bullshit. The topic has rather moved away from its original purpose, as a result. Also, you were being a bitch to AuntiePam for no good reason.

But please, go on with your vitriol. Apparently you don’t have something you actually care about to vent your spleen about today. I wouldn’t want to interfere with *your * favored leisure activity.

and exactly where did I say anyfucking thing about this? Why do you keep quoting me if you are talking about something else? Where exactly did I say it was perfectly ok to “share” anything wherever you wanted? Hmmm? I’ll clue you in - nowhere The only thing that I gave a crap about was the audacity for one set of folks to claim that theirs is the only (or, seeing Pams post - see, I shortened her name, too, hopefully she’s not offended by it) or even ‘best’ way.

It may be the ‘best’ way to you. Doesn’t mean jack shit. People enjoy things in different ways.

apparently.

God you’re thick. You are making a distinction between types of spoilers. I WASN’T The fact you keep claiming I did, doesn’t make it so.

Please, keep on misquoting me, responding to things I didn’t say and don’t care about. Apparently skewed conversations is a favorite pastime for you.

It’s the act of sharing it with other fans that don’t want to hear it that makes you a shitty fan. Do you understand THAT?

I wasn’t offended by your shortening of my name, idiot. There is another poster on this board named Ruby. Trying to respect her. Whatever. You’re hell bent on being a ridiculous here for reasons that escape me. Go to.

And exactly how is a new person around here supposed to realize that fans reading a thread with the title “open spoilers” do NOT want to hear spoilers? Yeah, Dex (uh oh, a shortened name!) clarified…later. So how about you leave that part out and try to justify your vitriol?

Thanks, but that wasn’t what was confusing me about your post. I gathered that you didn’t, personally, read such sites, but from your post, it seemed you didn’t have a problem with other people reading those sites, but you did have a problem with people posting to those sites. Which doesn’t make any sense to me.

Well, one school of thought is that how the story arrives at its ending is more important than the ending itself. There are, for example, plenty of works that spoil themselves from the outset. The prologue to Romeo and Juliet tells you explicitly that no one’s getting out alive. This achieves a specific dramatic effect of tragic inevitability. You know the characters’ love is doomed, which makes the relationship all the more poignant while its occuring. Obviously, not every work is going to want to try to achieve this specific effect, but if a particular audience member really likes that effect, they can, effectively, import it themselves by finding out how the story ends ahead of time, and then watching/reading the story with the outcome already known.

This happened to me not long ago, inadvertently. A movie was coming out, based on a TV show I really liked, and I accidentally read a spoiler about the death of a popuar character from the show. The death was supposed to be shocking and unexpected, and on one level, I regret that I didn’t experience that specific reaction. But on the other hand, knowing that he was going to die gave his other scenes a dramatic weight that would have been absent if I hadn’t expected him not to survive, plus an additional tension of wondering, “Is this going to be the scene where he dies?” Both were entirely valid, engaging ways of watching the movie, and I don’t think it’s possible to say that the movie would have been “better” if I’d gone in without knowing the outcome.

There are, of course, other reasons. Simply not being able to wait to find out what happens is probably a more common one, but there are legitimate aesthetic reasons for spoiling yourself, too.

No, I think it’s rather because some people don’t want to be spoiled, and reviewers want to write for as broad an audience as possible, so they avoid alienating a large (but not necessarily majority) portion of their potential readership. There are plenty of reviewers who do not make any such concession, and are more than willing to give away major plot points in their reviews.

The good ones, of course, let you know about it up front.

Also, Rubystreak, I expect that, coming from me, this will mean absolutely nothing to you, but you’ve completely misunderstood wring’s comments in this thread. Nothing she’s said in here has had anything to do with the appropriateness of spoiling the end of a show’s season in a thread marked as containing spoilers for a specific episode. She was using your thread as an example to make a completely unrelated point.

I don’t have a problem with people posting to the sites (other than a general issue with people who bootleg) and I understand that some folks don’t mind spoilers, and that they might actually like them. As much as it might sound like it, I really don’t care how other people choose to watch TV.

I don’t understand it.

I get what you’re saying about Romeo and Juliet, et al. I’ve enjoyed many books and movies where I knew at the beginning how it would end, where the destination was enhanced by the journey – I love stories told in flashbacks.

Can I split a hair though and say that this is what the author intended and that’s why it’s different?

Familiarize yourself with the place before you post something like that. Or, I don’t know, ask people if they want to see it before you post it? I would think a new person would make some effort to be considerate of the people in the environment they’re entering. I know, I’m being totally unreasonable.

:rolleyes:

Did you read his post? He said it was the way things were around here, not a new convention that was just made up today, so my assumption that it was understood when I wrote it was not an error on my part. It was an error on Fever’s part for not bothering to figure out how things work before she dropped a bomb on the thread. It was tough to take, which you’d understand if you watched the show faithfully. She’s sorry, so OK.

I feel I have. I don’t think anything I say will satisfy you, though, Garfy.

Miller, I appreciate what you’re saying here, but I think I get what wring is saying. She said:

I think people who post bootlegs or drop spoilers IN THIS ENVIRONMENT and in any place where they are not sure they are welcome are in fact showing disrespect for the work and definitely for the fans of the work. Wouldn’t you check first before posting something like that, out of simple concern for others? Are you being a “good” fan if you wantonly ruin the show for others? I don’t think so.

Arrogant of me to say that? Arrogant of someone to blithely walk into a group of people involved in an ongoing discussion about something they care about and have the first thing out of your mouth be that.

Only if you can explain why it makes a difference. If the author intends something to be a surprise, but I’ll enjoy the work more if I know what’s coming, why should I subjugate my enjoyment to the author’s expectations?

How will you know if you’ll enjoy it more spoiled or unspoiled? You can’t do it both ways, so I guess you’re trusting the author to structure the work in the way that will tell his story the best. Some authors maybe are better at this than others.

Shakespeare was very often telling people stories they already knew anyway, from history or folktales, which is why surprise wasn’t as important to his storytelling as it is to a story like The Wire. I’m not an expert on the history of drama, but maybe the “surprise ending” is a more modern convention.

I read this whole thread in the off chance someone had posted this very sentiment before I did.

Thanks for spoiling it for me.

:slight_smile:

yep, and she’s still doing it. I find it more than a little ironic that some one who’s having such difficulty w/the written word thinks they have the corner on understanding/ appreciating spoken words.

I think a person can know their own preferences. If a person sees some movies spoiled, and some movies unspoiled, and they find that they enjoy the former movies more than the latter, it’s not unreasonable for that person to start seeking out spoilers regularly for all movies, on the assumption that on average, they’ll get more enjoyment out of their movie-going experience.

True, and in addition, the conception of drama at the time was pretty much split between tragedies, where everyone dies at the end, and comedies, where everyone gets married at the end, so there wasn’t really a lot of room for unexpected outcomes.

What the fuck are you talking about? Seriously, I have claimed to have a corner on understanding/appreciating spoken words? Why are you being such a total bitch to me? I’m really not sure where the disconnect here is, between you and me, in this thread. I directly quoted what you said and responded to it. You can keep saying I’m not understanding you, when what I’m doing is disagreeing with you.

Miller, since you can’t watch something for the first time but once, it’s better to err on the side of being unspoiled. If you want to watch it again to pick up the nuances, you have that option, but you don’t have the option of being surprised if you’ve given it up before watching. In what situation do you think you’d enjoy something more if you were spoiled?

reply is not the same thing as responded. you quote my words then post some stuff that has nothing to do with what I’ve said. I’v **never ** even touched the issue of “should some one post season ending spoilers in a thread about an episode” Of course they shouldn’t, that’s rude. What I have commented on is the issue of “can the person who likes (and posts spoilers) be considered a fan” And I say, yes, they can.

So, for the last fucking time: don’t quote me and then rage on about how that particular poster shouldn’t have oughta done that. I do not care, RubystreakIam, I do not care here or there, I do not care in a (spoiler) box, with a fox, I do not care

the bitchiness you note is aimed at you continuing to fucking quote me, but not actually responding to what I wrote, even when it’s spelled out numerous times.

in your case it seems to be "too long (or short) cannot read.

for the record, that was posted prior to a private message. I am done arguing the point.

Well, keep in mind I’m not talking about myself, here. I’m just relaying the mindset of people I know who are self-described “spoiler whores,” mostly for AuntiePam’s benefit, as she said she can’t imagine why anyone would want to spoil themselves. Personally, I try to avoid spoilers for just the reason you stated. Although I did give an example upthread of a time when I was inadvertently spoiled for a major character death in a movie, and found that while it did fundamentally alter my experience of the movie, I don’t think that it lessened it. It wasn’t quite the same as just rewatching the movie. There was a quality to knowing that this thing was going to happen, but not knowing how or when, and even sort of hoping that the spoiler I’d read was wrong, or there was some last second save, or something, that couldn’t be recaptured by just watching the film a second time around.

You consider them a fan. I consider them an asshole who doesn’t care about how other people experience the work. They care more about the thrill of being the first person to post the spoiler. That’s not a “true fan” in the sense that I think AuntiePam meant it when you jumped down her throat. The context of the spoiler matters here. You want to strip that context to define “fan” the way you want to. When I fail to comply, you insult the fuck out of me. Whatever.

If you think that’s what I was saying, then it’s you who can’t read. It’s not about a particular poster anymore. But I think this conversation is going nowhere and frankly, I’m not all that interested in talking to you anymore. But thanks for a fun evening.

I know exactly the feeling you describe (I’m feeling it right now about The Wire and have experienced it before) and I have to say… I really hate that feeling. I guess if someone found it enjoyable they might have a different outlook on spoilers. If I wanted that feeling badly enough, I’ll rewatch it after the first, unspoiled viewing. But I certainly wouldn’t want to cause anyone else to feel that dread while watching something they were, up to that point, really enjoying and feeling anticipation towards. It tinges the whole experience with a flinching nervousness that takes my attention away from the action at hand.