She made public an alleged offence without offering a shred of actual proof?
Hadn’t she heard of ‘innocent until proven guilty’?
The fact that the person she accused is still posting elsewhere seems to suggest that the authorities weren’t impressed with her evidence. Why couldn’t she just have informed the police and left it to them to make a case.
If SM had indeed contacted a minor board member, what threat did that pose to the “community” as a whole? Wouldn’t the minor in question be the only threatened party? I’m a member of the community, you’re a member, what effect would it have on either of us if SM was indeed trolling for minors? SM’s not a threat to me at all, I’m neither the right gender, sexuality, age or location, in fact 99% of the community wouldn’t fit those criteria.
Sharing the knowledge? We can’t protect the kid, we don’t know who the kid is, remember?
If this was motivated by concern for the minor, somehow alerting the minor’s parents or proper authorities in the area would go a long way toward protecting the kid, that’s being a good villager. Telling the rest of the village is just trying to get a lynch mob started.
Either have the balls to come out and call her a liar or shut the fuck up. You’ve, once again, gone way past making any point into the realm of annoying douchebag.
There is very little doubt in my mind that Tubadiva received an email, which precipitated this whole thing.
The email contained the alleged offense, and unless you can tell me how she managed to verify its veracity, hold a trial and get a conviction in the short time before posting it publicly, it is, in all senses of the word, an alleged offense.
byomtoob, if anything, she put people in danger, because said SEX OFFENDER might decide to get even with the alleged victim for reporting him. Are you really that fucking stupid?
None of the rest of were ‘in danger’. And even if we were, all they had to do is post a “If anyone here harasses you, or contacts you inappropriately, let us know.”
Best of intentions my ass. She started a lynch mob over an allegation of inappropriate behavior.
So what can we do about it?
Yes, she did that–there is no “burden of proof” in public discourse, only in criminal proceedings. Did you know that “innocent until proven guilty” applies to putting someone in jail, not in accusing them of an offense? Again, if we all followed this logic, nobody would be able to share the details of a potential offense that they were aware of.
I’m sure she could have and maybe did. That said, are you not allowed to share that with other people, especially given that the safety of OTHER underage people might be involved?
Perhaps I am – I continue to believe that shining the light of day on certain people’s reality is a good thing, not a bad one.
Truthfully, maybe I’ve missed something here. I’m not aware of any “lynch mob” Has what’s his face had to hide out of fear for his safety? Has anyone physically approached him because of TD’s comments? The only semblence of a lynch mob (not a literal one) that I’ve seen is the one coming after TD–but that’s not a lynch mob either BECAUSE ITS WORDS ON THE INTERNET, NOT REALITY.
The sex offender registries I’ve wandered across since this subject came up don’t find it so ridiculous. For example
Then I can dismiss your opinion without further thought. Thanks for the heads up. But wait. Those were just words on the internet. So now I can’t dismiss your comments…
Apparently, you’ve never heard of libel or slander. That’s why articles and reporters always say “allegations” and “alleged crimes”.
Basically, following YOUR logic, I can say you are a rapist and you can’t say boo to a goose.
Daniel, that is probably the most astute post in this entire thread – and there have been some sensible ones.
As for me, having seen all the furore on this, I’m just humming, “It’s the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.” 
heh.
I don’t post on the SDMB anymore [No worries Shodan, you’ll get the chance of ‘missing’ me ;)], but, ofcourse, I still read some of the messages.
My reason for leaving had nothing to do with TubaDiva.
I merely don’t like the number of assholes on this board.
So - as someone said a couple of pages back - I shall pay up and renew. Even if I choose never to post again.
Just to piss of those naggers here and those retards on LJ.
Someone made a mistake. Jezus.
WELCOME BACK TUBADIVA
What??? This thread isn’t locked yet? You know I think we are all just a bunch of old women. (referring to the negative stereotypical cliche and no way implies any disrespect on my part for women over 30)
You might want to duck and cover grienspace: even in my most callow youth, I never would have considered a woman “old” for having attained the age of 30. The notion that I’d have looked upon Sophia Loren, Marilyn Monroe, Gina Lolabrigida, Kim Novak, Cyd Charisse, Honor Blackman, or a number of other women as “old” (as opposed to “hot”) would have boggled even my youth-fixated teen mind.
I seem to recall StageManager had already thrown around the idea of an “Ask a Registered Sex Offender” thread. So the justification that TD was somehow alerting the community to a predator in its midst is slightly mushy… since the information was already available.
So the confidential information that TubaDiva exposed was not SM being a Registered Sex Offender. He’d already mentioned being a RSO several times… including shortly before (~2 days) he was banned. The privacy violation stems from posting a member’s real name and home address without their permission. The violation is exacerbated by her acknowledgement that she knew it was a privacy violation and was going to do it anyway based on a rather shaky rationalization.
Independent of that… What, then, was the purpose of posting an already acknowledged RSO’s name and home address? Especially
I can’t think of any reason that makes TD look good. The first one that pops into my mind moves it from “privacy violation” to “attempting to endanger someone’s life”.
I just can’t buy the “good intentions” or “mistake” explanations with the information available. Anyone else want to try to cast it in a different light?
I asked this question in another thread but someone requested I not to hijack, I think it’s relevant here: How many posters, or socks thereof, have been banned out of sexual predator concerns? I obviously don’t want a bunch of people named or the specifics of your judgement process, just the numbers.
In Tuba’s defence, how many times COULD she have spilled the beans on someone?
The following is not a personal slam on you, 1010011010. Rather you were the last person in the thread to make the same mistake so you were the easiest to quote.
No, and this is where so many of the defenders, and some of the attackers, are going wrong. The Meagan’s Law information was publicly available, so, whilst posting it in the SDMB LJ and his personal LJ could possibly constitute harassment and therefore an illegal use of it, it was not a privacy violation, even though I’m sure it is the issue that StageManager may or may not take up with the authorities.
However, the public revelation of a private allegation of abuse directed at SM by a younger poster in an email to Tuba that she could have only known about through her position as an admin was a big privacy violation. As I said in my previous post, the allegation should only have been passed on to the authorities to investigate. By posting it publicly, it taints any future investigation and endangers the alleged victim (and maybe even the accused too) as well as possibly tarnishing any reputation the accused may have. IANAL but also, should the accusation prove unfounded, wouldn’t it open TD and, by association thanks to her use of her official title The Reader, up to a possible libel/slander suit (I always get the two mixed up)?
I know I said I was going to move on, but too many posters are leaping into this thread feet first seemingly without even knowing the issues at hand. Guinastasia seems to have a pretty good handle on the issues, please can you all try reading some of her posts before letting your collective knees jerk too far?
The part that I thought you’d said was inaccurate was that Tuba’s actions were in violation, not that Megan’s law prevents harrassment. As near as I can tell, your post that I’m quoting here supports what I was trying to say.
No, or at least substantially no. While SM may have been interested in not having the allegation revealed, his interest in this is immaterial to me. If someone accuses me of molesting someone else, I do not think I have a right to privacy in regards to this accusation: as long as what people repeat is that an allegation has been made, they’re acting entirely appropriately, not violating my interests.
(If Tuba said that SM was molesting someone, not merely that he’d been accused of it, then I apologize and will certainly condemn that action; however, my understanding is that she revealed that an allegation had been made).
No. While they can be weighed against one another, TD’s actions weren’t unethical even if you take them in isolation.
Catsix, I complimented you when you weren’t being bitchy, but now you’re being a bitch. Don’t do that.
Daniel
I have come to the conclusion that this board is not about fighting ignorance - it’s about ignorantly insulting people who don’t agree with you.
Like a little lemming, you are blindly following a moderator in this ignorant name-calling … does it make you feel big?? Powerful???
I feel sorry for you, honestly, if the only way that you can find to counter an argument is to call another member a dirty name.
STFU yourself - you’re pathetic, like a schoolkid in the playground, copying the bigger boys to make a name for yourself as a bully.
Zombies, you called people in the ATMB thread sycophants for welcoming Tuba back, said that we were nauseating and suck-ups. Are you really in a position to criticize other people for being insulting?
Daniel