I have only enough interest in this subject for one post but it seems to me that the proposition made in the thread title is about as controversial as “the sun rises in the East.” TubaDiva seems to be the only mod/admin who regularly invites these kinds of threads and whenever I see one it just seems to become a litany of explanations for her posts and posting style without any acknowledgement from her.
I know that if I started receiving feedback at work that indicated that I was arrogant/overbearing/incorrect I may dismiss one or two as just being disgruntled/argumentative , but if they persisted I would be forced to concede that my clients may have a point.
As I say, I have no emotional investment in this I just think TubaDiva is one of those people who has found herself in a role not suited to her personality - like the nurse who doesn’t want to nurse her patients, the HR person who knows all the regulations but doesn’t know how to help you, the guy on the enquiry phones who hates answering questions.
But you mocked the feeling of being threatened at TubaDiva’s statement, which is very insensitive to me, as I was the target of that statement.
Then why did you offer thanks to the one who suspended Greathouse? He didn’t threaten you. He merely made a snarky comment.
This doesn’t fit in with your sensitive, tolerant and enlightened persona. How dare you be so dismissive of anyone’s feelings regarding a statement that could easily be seen as a threat?
There’s no need for you to be so angry here. What skin is it off your nose if those who started these threads interpreted TubaDiva’s words differently than you did? And why do you think that your interpretation should be the benchmark the rest of us should all follow?
You were “threatened” with a peckerslapping. The post was reported (by you, I suspect, though I have no way to prove it). Greathouse was suspended at least partially as a result. You thanked the moderators for doing so. These are facts. Catsix has pegged you well and true. The thing is that your nature is so plain it wasn’t at all necessary for her to post about it. You are so manifestly a toadying little panty-waist that her remarks were no more than restating the obvious.
LHoD, if you find the opinions of others abrasive or dislike their attitudes towards you ( which seems fair to me, btw ), why is it you’re responding to their posts and not the more reasonable ones? Plenty of people have agreed that Tuba might be in the wrong here, yet you haven’t chosen to address their points.
I suppose i’m getting generally annoyed that people are far more likely to post here and point out flaws in catsix’ or Garfield’s points, and not mine or others, when i’m (and presumably they are) trying very hard to remain reasonable. I’m shocked, shocked that posters would prefer to attack the easier-to-rebut arguments and the character of posters, and ignore the chance for an actual debate on this issue.
I was one of those that reported Greathouse’s post. I did not for the Pecker slapping but for what looked like a death by mod request. I thought it should at least be brought to the mods attention. I don’t recall my exact words but it was a “Hey in case you haven’t seen this, you might want to take a look. The user seems to gearing up for a flame-out”. I believe I was just handling his own request.
I was surprised by how quickly he was suspended and I would guess that many reported his last few posts. But that is just a WAG of course.
LHoD: Your Pit thread will now get you accused of attention whoring, are you sure it is a good idea?
Silenus: I thought the same thing when I saw it.
Revenant Threshold What was your point again, I couldn’t see it through all the flames and smoke.
Dex: I have to agree with those that said you did not help your case or the mods case in general with your post. It would have been better to say nothing rather than jumping in and saying you didn’t bother to read the first 3 pages.
If they’ve become more belligerent to the members, it’s because the members have become more belligerent to them. Let’s face it, just about every mod decision is likely to sprout an eight page pit thread with people swearing they aren’t going to come back because of the moderators. If the mods post anything mildy insulting acting as a poster, then it’s proof of mod bias and how can we get a fair shake. Hell, how many threads has this mere handful of posts by Tubadiva generated?
We can play the old chicken and egg game until the cows come home (boy did I sound like a yolkel there), but if we as posters want respect from the moderators, we should start giving it.
Possibly. I think some of the pro-Tuba “side” are as certain of her rightness as some of the anti- side; LHoD for one has professed his certainty that Tuba did nothing untoward.
I suspect there’s two things at work here; one’s an assumption that everyone in this thread that’s on the opposite side is a narrow-minded idiot incapable of seeing the truth, and is pretty neatly shown by Dex’s last post. The other, I think, is caused by people not wanting to agree and taking the easy way out; “Crap, some of them have good points! I’ll ignore them and focus on the idiots, that way I don’t have to accept that I might be wrong!”.
I’d start a new thread and warn people to be reasonable in it, but considering the past I doubt that’d work for longer than five minutes.
I’ve seen many respectful posts in this and related threads by members who don’t have a history of antagonistic behavior met with disrespect and condescension from the mods.
As staff of the boards in a customer service role, I think there is an expectation that mods and admins should strive to be the better people, for the good of the organization they represent and foster good relations with the board community at large.
When I go into a restaurant or store, and I see a belligerent customer creating a scene I expect the staff to handle it in a professional manner, not jump right in and start throwing punches and insults themselves. Regardless of who is originally to blame, I’m going to think less of both parties and feel justified in complaining to upper management about the way the situation was dealt with.
What? no I haven’t! I’ve said that I don’t think what she wrote is remotely plausible as a threat of physical harm. I’ve also said that what she wrote is trivial. I’ve not, I believe, opined as to whether it was untoward.
I do think it was not the best-considered post of all time. I just think that, to the extent that it was ill-considered, it was trivial.
I’m sorry I only responded to catsix and Garfield above–but you’ll note I started off talking with Garfield, and I do think he’s arguing it reasonably (even if he’s got the mindreader thing wrong ). Your posts also strike me as pretty reasonable.
As for my fan club, I’m not gonna talk about them here any longer. There’s a thread for that shit now.
Greathouse was obviously trolling and attempting to commit suicide-by-mod. Whether or not he actually meant what he said, he was looking for a response from the Mods and, to some degree, he got it. He was aiming to flame out, but ended up going away like a weak fart. So, if you’re looking for a poster to whom injustice has been done, it ain’t him.
This just shifts responsibility. They should try to be better people but we don’t have to? Kind of silly. I can’t control how a mod reads or responds to my post but I can control how I respond to theirs.
That’s the way it works when you take on a position of authority. You carry the responsibility. In an ideal world, there would be no disgruntled customers but the fact remains part of your job will include dealing with assholes. How you do so will set the tone for the entire organization.
Ah. Looking back, you’re right; I misremembered exactly what you said. Apologies.
Trivial beyond the amount of heat this storm has brought up, almost certainly. But I for one would still like (not demand) clarification, and I’d warn Tuba (if she’s still reading this) that to keep silent is to make certain this ill-feeling continues; to clarify has a chance of halting it, if only partially.
Well, why aren’t you responding to them, then? No offense, but it seems to be you’ve responed to every post that you would call unreasonable, and responding to lesser extent to those that are. It’s not really setting a good example; I was mistaking your stand on this issue as being one of “Tuba did no wrong, end of conversation”, but now that we’re actually talking about it I can see that isn’t the case.
There certainly is a Chicken-And-Egg effect, and many of the posters here have cried “egg” so many times that it’s hard to blame the mods for not taking them seriously. However, no matter how many times it’s a false alarm, sometimes when the chicken cries “egg” there really is a wolf in the hothouse.
You think I’ve responded to every unreasonable post in this thread? Hoo boy, I do have a life, you know.
I’m sorry I didn’t respond to yours earlier; I genuinely meant no slight by it. I don’t always have something to say about every post, and I’m more apt to respond to stuff I disagree with than stuff I agree with, because I don’t like “me too” posts.
). Your posts also strike me as pretty reasonable.