Originally posted by Lissa
Lissa; The voice of reason. Thank you. I agree.
Just for this I re-subcribed. 
Well that’s sure a good way to be able to offer an informed opinion on the topic, idn’t it, punkin?
Lie the first. This started with a simple question posed to TubaDiva, and she could have saved the rest of that ATMB thread and this one by simply answering it with her next post.
no u
Well it’s good to know you’re making her decisions for her now. Hear that everyone? picks up megaphone The decision has been made. Return to your homes. All is well! ALL IS WELL!
Lie the second. TubaDiva has not posted on this issue since I posed the direct question to her in ATMB. She may have “made her perspective clear” in your head or in an email to you or in some other manner, but she has certainly not made it clear here, on the boards.
Can you point out a single instance of anyone in any of these related threads saying they hate these boards? Didn’t think so.
Recognize reality: when people in positions of authority make decisions that we hoi polloi disagree with, they generally explain those decisions (if they’re good leaders, that is), and when they fuck up, they apologize (ditto on the “good leaders” thing).
Yeah, good you got that one in…after subscriptions were due, of course.
This is a disappointing statement. It doesn’t take long, and allows an accurate response.
Actually the OP asked for a clarification by TubaDiva of a statement that could be interpreted as ‘menacing by a Mod’.
I also think you need to be careful when using hyperbole about complaining about ranting. :eek:
Yes, this is a fine board (thanks to both the moderators and the intelligent posters 
) and the only one I pay money for. Nevertheless it is a commercial operation and customers are enititled to protest (politely of course).
Not helpful.
Posting from England, I find this message board very helpful in understanding the US viewpoint on all sorts of World issues.
I also get rapid answers to difficult questions and learn about cultural topics.
I don’t see why you mention all the above.
I’m sure moderating is a thankless task (I’m a teacher, so I know about dealing with relentless pressure from ‘customers’), but you need to stay calm to keep the SDMB standards high.
How exactly is saying “I deserve an apology” not a request for one?
I think TubaDiva was making a snarky joke. I don’t think she ever paused to consider that it might be taken as a threat, simply because she would never dream of banning catsix due to a personal disagreement, or whatever.
She gets a little pissy sometimes. That’s it. She doesn’t go modzilla and squish mere members under her heels. Sometimes she shows the stress a little, and every twitch gets a 3-page Pit thread PLUS something locked in ATMB. I think I’d get irritable sometimes myself.
Anyway, I do think that there should be a new rule to avoid future misunderstandings like this, which is that mods must not even joke about abusing their power like that. I mean, come on, you guys. Obviously, mods shouldn’t joke about banning people they don’t like. I think maybe that sort of got lost in the anti-tuba-diva BS, understandably, but it’s ridiculous to say that wasn’t the joke she was making.
It’s also ridiculous to say it was anything but a (snarky) joke – calling it a ‘threat’ is silly and overdramatic, because she’d never actually do that, which is why she was comfortable joking about it. That’s my assessment, anyway. And all that’s fine, but given the result, I think it’s prudent to say that in the future, mods won’t make reference to their modly powers unless they’re actually planning to use them. I mean, even if there is another explanation and TD was saying something else entirely, that seems like a good idea.
Well, that was helpful.
At least there was a little humor in it: an administrator of a board devoted to fighting ignorance comes into a thread with guns blazing but starts off with an admission that he hasn’t read the posts in the thread.
Hey guys, sit up straight. I think one of you is leaning on the SDMB “Self Destruct” button.
I would normally agree, except for the nature of the request. This isn’t the student raising his hand in class asking the prof to restate his last paragraph. This is the drunk frat boy pushing his finger in your chest saying “What the fuck did you just say?” He didn’t mis-hear you, he thinks you insulted him and is now giving you the chance to back down, that’s what I think the crowd wants.
If Tuba came in and said it wasn’t a veiled threat, I don’t think the Anti crowd would say “Oh, ok, thanks for setting it straight.” I think it would be a launching point for another few pages of rants and complaints picking apart every word of her explanation. Given that, I wouldn’t bother answering the question either.
“I deserve an apology” is an opinion about the offense, a statement to the readers of the thread that the behavior, under normal circumstances, should have been apologized for. Something directed to the offending party along the lines of “You should apologize to me for what you did” would be a request for an apology. These are different things.
Could you do me a favor and go back to the ATMB thread where I first asked the question, read it, then see if you still hold that opinion?
I disagree. I view catsix’s “I think I’m owed an apology” statement like when my girlfriend said “I’m cold” to me last night. She wasn’t just stating that she was cold. She was insinuating that I needed to close the windows and get her a pair of socks and a blanket.
For all this talk about what TubaDiva really meant, despite her not actually saying it, I find this highly hypocritical.
Hmm. Could it be that Dex didn’t bother to read the three pages of this thread because he had a strong suspicion that it was identical in tone and matter to the two previous threads on the subject?
If so, the suspicion was well-founded.
Well, glad to see you’re taking an active interest in what the members are discussing.
Her perspective being “I regard you with such contempt that I refuse to dignify your concerns with a response.” Lovely behavior from someone in a position of power.
Ah, yes, “if you’re not with us you’re against us.” You know what, Dex? I don’t hate these boards. I think the community here is, by and large, one of the best on the Internet. That’s what bothers me about this entire situation: those of you with titles other than “Member” under your names are acting in a manner that is unprofessional and insulting, quite frankly, and that’s not the SDMB I signed up for, and it’s damn sure not what I paid for.
And here’s the “it’s just a message board” argument again. If it’s “just a message board,” then how is what Tuba does essentially vital to the continued survival of the boards? After all, “it’s just a message board,” it’s not that big a deal, right?
I’m going to agree with Dex insofar as him not reading this thread. It was started by the same Op, about the same topic, as a very recent thread he did read. While the probability of a new topic being generated was not zero, it was low. Reading the last page suggested it was zero. Thus, he did not need to read the first several pages.
Sure, no prob
You’ve admitted that you can only read it as a threat and you’re asking for clarification of just what sort of threat it is.
You seriously expect me to believe you would have taken “It wasn’t a threat” from TubaDiva at face value?
Actually, I admitted I could only read it as a threat, and I asked for clarification whether it was or not, not “what sort of threat it is”. Just because I could only read it as one doesn’t mean that’s definitely what it was: Unlike some of the folks in power around here, I don’t hold any delusions that I can read minds. That’s precisely why I asked for a response.
As I allowed for later in the thread, it’s possible, and perhaps even likely that I haven’t considered all the possibilites for what Tuba meant, and indeed, some other members have come up with plausible interpretations. However, as I said, I can’t read minds (apparently unlike all those folks who said, “She meant this, duh.”), which is why I asked. I also said in that thread that “I’m sorry you saw what I said as a threat” wouldn’t answer my question because, well, it doesn’t.
It was a simple statement of opinion. I’ve also stated several times that I will not ask for an apology, nor do I expect one.
I’m not your girlfriend, and I believe that it’s unreasonable for you to assume that my statements should be interpreted the same way that you would interpret statements from your girlfriend. If I was asking for an apology, I would’ve said something like ‘You should apologize to me for what you said.’ or ‘I want an apology.’
Why would you project your girlfriend’s state of mind onto me?
Because all you women are exactly alike. 
Seriously though, if you don’t want or need an apology, then why keep harping on this?
My first post in the thread here had nothing to do with an apology, it had to do with donations of time and labor to the boards, and a couple of suggestions of money making ideas and/or suggestions to make the place more appealing (T-shirt design contest, merch links, and the possibility of skins for vB). I only brought up that I had not asked for one in response to C K Dexter Haven saying that I had.
I haven’t started a single thread about the matter, and I doubt I have anywhere near the most posts regarding it.
I don’t think the words ‘harping on it’ apply to me.
In the future, try not to put the drugs and the sugar next to the coffeepot, lest you continue to accidentally spike your coffee with meth.
Do you fiddle with the ball bearings and Tuba obsesses over the strawberry incident or vice versa?
I’ve stayed out of this controversy so far, but with this post you’ve convinced me that it is time for you and Tuba both to step down.